I hear you man, I appreciate that you want to be different, but when you talk about doing it in a way that's dangerous to you and innocent bystanders, I just lose it. Can't you find a safe way to be different? I'm just sick of this whole "I'll do whatever I want because it looks cool" thing, with no regard for safety. I'm not an old guy either, but I have seen some messed up stuff happen. Sorry if I lashed out, I shouldn't have done that. I wasn't trying to make a mockery of you in particular.

 

Isn't a non-staggered setup supposed to handle better?

 

No.

The car was designed with stagger. It would have been cheaper for them to do without it if they thought it would work better.

If your suspension is modified in order to make a non-staggered setup work, then that's a different story. But there is no inherent reason that a non-staggered setup would be better, except for the ability to switch tires and wheels front to rear.

 

lolz, no worries man no worries, thanx for caring though and I greatly appreciate that and your input. Okay here's me new question now to you spa-zz. I know that our cars is set up to be staggered for a reason and that is for maximum handling and what not, but....Is there suppose to be a certain width from the rear to the front that is considered a stagger? I know that rears have to be larger but techincally is a 9.5 in the rear and a 9 in the front a "legit stagger." There only .5 inches in differnece so does they actually matter? or should they be at least 1'' or more from another to gain maximum contact? Plese lemme know. thanx

 

11.5 +62 rear :-D

no pics yet still on way. ****ing customs

front.. 9+40(not me but i have seen) my next set ima do 9+62 front 11.5+62 rear 255/285

 

obeserious.. learn wheels/and handling b4 u buy something for fun

u should know how the widths are going tomess with you.
also our cars are setup w/ stagger from factory to be understeer promitory for safety reasons.. if u run 9 all around w/ 255 ull have a oversteer happy but more neutral than stock car.

ull need to know how to harness and control oversteer promitory car tho

 

i know rijowysock, i've been doing my fair research and i can say I do know a good lump sum of knowledge about the wheel offset pacakge that is why i want to run this specific offset that is soo aggresive, just as much as how your running an agressive 11.5 +62 in the rear. Its just that i wanted to strive away from the crowd. I've driven a numerous of tail happy cars such as an s14 w/ a sr20 black top and may i tell you its pretty intoxicating, soo im pretty sure i can handle some oversteer. Thanx for your input though, i wil keep it in mind.

 

Well if you want to maintain the stock handling balance you'll want to maintain 30 to 40 mm of stagger front to rear. For instance, the AP1 is essentially riding on 205 front and 245 rear (OEM rears are wide for a 225). On the AP2, you are riding on 205 front and 245 also (because OEM fronts are narrow for a 215.)

One thing rijowysock and I don't agree on in the handling balance of this car. It is one of the most over-steer prone cars off the showroom floor that is available to American buyers. I would consider it very neutral from the factory (AP2 may understeer a bit, that I'll agree.) So if you modify the wheel and tire setup, you can create a dangerous handling car. I know some people can handle an oversteering car. I know myself I can handle a good bit of oversteer on the autocross course. But when you're on the street, and/or when you encounter an emergency situation, most people won't react with the same skills they show at the track, because they are not in track mode. That's why I think it's a bad idea to run a setup like that on the street.

 

^^^Thanx man, i'll look into that, i'll let u know what i decide to do, maybe i'll stagger, maybe i won't. we'll see when the time comes. Thanx man.

 

First point I'd like to make is that its more about precentages then the actual difference between the tires, to keep it as proportional as the stock setup. It won't make a difference ofcourse unless you start putting very wide tires. This is just me being anal about math.


Anyways, most people that run ridicilous offsets and tirewidth are usually knowledgeble and can tune their suspension accodringly, so i don't think its a concern for safety, and most people do it because they want more rubber, not to look cool or drift jdm tyte.

What I don't get when it comes to wheels is why do people put 18*7 rims on our cars and buy cheap tires for it. There's more people like that and I would be more worried about them crashing and hurting innocent bystanders.