What rim is this!
04-06-2010 | 12:51 AM
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So Dymag wheels must suck too right? I mean I did find a pic on the internet of 1 that broke so it must be true...
And just some food for thought, AMS uses Rota's on thier 8 second EVO...
Edit: Dont assume a pic of a broken wheel means that whole company is flawed, you have no clue how it broke, could have been that he hit something or whatever. I personally dont like Rota's because of the styling they have compared to the wheels they try to immitate, they look cheap. I do however believe they are a great starter wheel for anyone looking to start modding their car.
And just some food for thought, AMS uses Rota's on thier 8 second EVO...
Edit: Dont assume a pic of a broken wheel means that whole company is flawed, you have no clue how it broke, could have been that he hit something or whatever. I personally dont like Rota's because of the styling they have compared to the wheels they try to immitate, they look cheap. I do however believe they are a great starter wheel for anyone looking to start modding their car.
04-06-2010 | 07:13 AM
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Alright, I'll do this for you. Go and search "Rota Wheels" on google and tell me how many wheels you find with broken spokes, and even wheels that are damaged from the barrel itself. The Dymag wheels, even though speculated, were abused under heavy tracking. Here's a quote from a speculator.
With that being said, I never said that the price of a wheel determines its reliability. Using that image is a bad example because carbon under abuse tends to cause cracks under enough abuse and if enough damage is developed onto the wheel, it will break; unlike aluminum which will bend. The model and version of those Dymags are also important. Previous versions of the Dymag wheels were created with magnesium cores and the spokes did not connect to each other compared to the new CNC machined cores that have connecting spokes to ensure strength. Granted the weak point were the magnesium cores themselves, price doesn't justify the quality of a build, but reputation does and the method of creating the wheels do.
Now look at this:
That is the Rota Attack wheel (03 version) and here is the original owners post.
From this, you can say that its possible one bad batch of wheels caused this ruckus or people might use that as a reason to hate the wheels when they are imitations copied from genuine wheels.
I'm not trying to say that Rota is a bad company, but the fact that so many people have gotten their wheels damaged just from daily use is disturbing to me. If you have the mindset that your going to be going through wheels; I can understand if you want something cheap compared to ruining a set of volks. But truthfully, a lot of people buy these wheels cause they are imitations and don't understand that the saying is true, "you get what you pay for".
I want to rephrase my argument. I'm EXTREMELY bias against these wheels because of the fact that they are imitations. If your using the wheels for any off-road use and need something cheap, then anything imitation is understandable (copied wheels, copied body kit, etc).
The reason I called them roturds were because they were copies; not so much the fact that they were unreliable. After looking at those pictures, the broken wheels might have been from the earlier versions and Rota stepped it up and decided to redo their designs and make a better product. You can also compare it to Toyota, one huge recall or problem and that could destroy your reputation. BTW Toyotas use(d) Rotas on their production cars at one point or another (doesn't relate to argument, just interesting find).
I don't want this to be a bash on Rotas, but I'd like it to be a friendly argument
.OP it's not my opinion that should measure whether you buy these or not, you just need to understand that stuff like this may happen.
CLIFF NOTES: Rotas had a bad batch earlier in production; could have caused hate for Rotas. Broken Rotas are seen on a daily basis where as the Dymags were broken due to heavy track abuse. I don't hate Rotas because they break so much that they are imitations for daily use. Imitations for track and off-road use are understandable if they are expected to be replaced. OP should go for what he want, and not what others decide for him (me).
I handeled the situation of the broken center for Dymag.
The wheel was broken at a track event in Mexico the customer runs full slicks all the time at the track and these wheels had about 60 full track days on them unfortunately they were not checked after each event and the spoke developed a hairline crack that started from the engraving on the back of the spoke. They stamp the back of the spokes with the model number of the mold. The crack propagated causing the spoke to break in half and transfering the weight load the the remaining spoke as he continued to run the wheel then broke as he was in a straight line braking zone at the end of a staright away.
The damage to the car was minimal about $10k and Dymag paid for the damage and the full set of wheels the car was back at the track in 10 days time and the customer was fully reimbursed.
The magnesium center was sent to a testing lab here in the U.S. to make sure that it had all the properties it should have for cast magnesium the test results came back with passing results and upon inspection of the wheel it was determined that fatigue was what caused the failure.
The wheel was broken at a track event in Mexico the customer runs full slicks all the time at the track and these wheels had about 60 full track days on them unfortunately they were not checked after each event and the spoke developed a hairline crack that started from the engraving on the back of the spoke. They stamp the back of the spokes with the model number of the mold. The crack propagated causing the spoke to break in half and transfering the weight load the the remaining spoke as he continued to run the wheel then broke as he was in a straight line braking zone at the end of a staright away.
The damage to the car was minimal about $10k and Dymag paid for the damage and the full set of wheels the car was back at the track in 10 days time and the customer was fully reimbursed.
The magnesium center was sent to a testing lab here in the U.S. to make sure that it had all the properties it should have for cast magnesium the test results came back with passing results and upon inspection of the wheel it was determined that fatigue was what caused the failure.
Now look at this:
That is the Rota Attack wheel (03 version) and here is the original owners post.
Back in '03, the first gen of the Rota Attack was produced with a cavity behind the spokes, ostensibly to further reduce weight. The start of the cavity can be seen in this pic, and the end result as well ... This crack happened to many of the 1st gen Attack owners, and Rota issued a recall to upgrade owners to the revised version without a cavity, to enhance strength.
No company is perfect, and to their credit they replaced all of these defective wheels, so it's good to see them stand behind their product.
This was a long time ago, and I'm sure their QA methods have improved since this incident, but I'm unaware of any similar incidents involving top tier wheel manufacturers such as Volk or BBS.
It's not fair to attack Rota (pun intended ) every time someone mentions buying them, but there seems to be even more people who defend them and say that Rota has never made a defective wheel, and try to blame pics of failures as the result of abuse. The company ADMITTED it made a bad run of wheels....
No company is perfect, and to their credit they replaced all of these defective wheels, so it's good to see them stand behind their product.
This was a long time ago, and I'm sure their QA methods have improved since this incident, but I'm unaware of any similar incidents involving top tier wheel manufacturers such as Volk or BBS.
It's not fair to attack Rota (pun intended ) every time someone mentions buying them, but there seems to be even more people who defend them and say that Rota has never made a defective wheel, and try to blame pics of failures as the result of abuse. The company ADMITTED it made a bad run of wheels....
I'm not trying to say that Rota is a bad company, but the fact that so many people have gotten their wheels damaged just from daily use is disturbing to me. If you have the mindset that your going to be going through wheels; I can understand if you want something cheap compared to ruining a set of volks. But truthfully, a lot of people buy these wheels cause they are imitations and don't understand that the saying is true, "you get what you pay for".
I want to rephrase my argument. I'm EXTREMELY bias against these wheels because of the fact that they are imitations. If your using the wheels for any off-road use and need something cheap, then anything imitation is understandable (copied wheels, copied body kit, etc).
The reason I called them roturds were because they were copies; not so much the fact that they were unreliable. After looking at those pictures, the broken wheels might have been from the earlier versions and Rota stepped it up and decided to redo their designs and make a better product. You can also compare it to Toyota, one huge recall or problem and that could destroy your reputation. BTW Toyotas use(d) Rotas on their production cars at one point or another (doesn't relate to argument, just interesting find).
I don't want this to be a bash on Rotas, but I'd like it to be a friendly argument
.OP it's not my opinion that should measure whether you buy these or not, you just need to understand that stuff like this may happen.CLIFF NOTES: Rotas had a bad batch earlier in production; could have caused hate for Rotas. Broken Rotas are seen on a daily basis where as the Dymags were broken due to heavy track abuse. I don't hate Rotas because they break so much that they are imitations for daily use. Imitations for track and off-road use are understandable if they are expected to be replaced. OP should go for what he want, and not what others decide for him (me).
04-06-2010 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Benihana,Apr 6 2010, 06:13 AM
Alright, I'll do this for you. Go and search "Rota Wheels" on google and tell me how many wheels you find with broken spokes, and even wheels that are damaged from the barrel itself. The Dymag wheels, even though speculated, were abused under heavy tracking. Here's a quote from a speculator.
With that being said, I never said that the price of a wheel determines its reliability. Using that image is a bad example because carbon under abuse tends to cause cracks under enough abuse and if enough damage is developed onto the wheel, it will break; unlike aluminum which will bend. The model and version of those Dymags are also important. Previous versions of the Dymag wheels were created with magnesium cores and the spokes did not connect to each other compared to the new CNC machined cores that have connecting spokes to ensure strength. Granted the weak point were the magnesium cores themselves, price doesn't justify the quality of a build, but reputation does and the method of creating the wheels do.
Now look at this:
That is the Rota Attack wheel (03 version) and here is the original owners post.
From this, you can say that its possible one bad batch of wheels caused this ruckus or people might use that as a reason to hate the wheels when they are imitations copied from genuine wheels.
I'm not trying to say that Rota is a bad company, but the fact that so many people have gotten their wheels damaged just from daily use is disturbing to me. If you have the mindset that your going to be going through wheels; I can understand if you want something cheap compared to ruining a set of volks. But truthfully, a lot of people buy these wheels cause they are imitations and don't understand that the saying is true, "you get what you pay for".
I want to rephrase my argument. I'm EXTREMELY bias against these wheels because of the fact that they are imitations. If your using the wheels for any off-road use and need something cheap, then anything imitation is understandable (copied wheels, copied body kit, etc).
The reason I called them roturds were because they were copies; not so much the fact that they were unreliable. After looking at those pictures, the broken wheels might have been from the earlier versions and Rota stepped it up and decided to redo their designs and make a better product. You can also compare it to Toyota, one huge recall or problem and that could destroy your reputation. BTW Toyotas use(d) Rotas on their production cars at one point or another (doesn't relate to argument, just interesting find).
I don't want this to be a bash on Rotas, but I'd like it to be a friendly argument .OP it's not my opinion that should measure whether you buy these or not, you just need to understand that stuff like this may happen.
CLIFF NOTES: Rotas had a bad batch earlier in production; could have caused hate for Rotas. Broken Rotas are seen on a daily basis where as the Dymags were broken due to heavy track abuse. I don't hate Rotas because they break so much that they are imitations for daily use. Imitations for track and off-road use are understandable if they are expected to be replaced. OP should go for what he want, and not what others decide for him (me).
With that being said, I never said that the price of a wheel determines its reliability. Using that image is a bad example because carbon under abuse tends to cause cracks under enough abuse and if enough damage is developed onto the wheel, it will break; unlike aluminum which will bend. The model and version of those Dymags are also important. Previous versions of the Dymag wheels were created with magnesium cores and the spokes did not connect to each other compared to the new CNC machined cores that have connecting spokes to ensure strength. Granted the weak point were the magnesium cores themselves, price doesn't justify the quality of a build, but reputation does and the method of creating the wheels do.
Now look at this:
That is the Rota Attack wheel (03 version) and here is the original owners post.
From this, you can say that its possible one bad batch of wheels caused this ruckus or people might use that as a reason to hate the wheels when they are imitations copied from genuine wheels.
I'm not trying to say that Rota is a bad company, but the fact that so many people have gotten their wheels damaged just from daily use is disturbing to me. If you have the mindset that your going to be going through wheels; I can understand if you want something cheap compared to ruining a set of volks. But truthfully, a lot of people buy these wheels cause they are imitations and don't understand that the saying is true, "you get what you pay for".
I want to rephrase my argument. I'm EXTREMELY bias against these wheels because of the fact that they are imitations. If your using the wheels for any off-road use and need something cheap, then anything imitation is understandable (copied wheels, copied body kit, etc).
The reason I called them roturds were because they were copies; not so much the fact that they were unreliable. After looking at those pictures, the broken wheels might have been from the earlier versions and Rota stepped it up and decided to redo their designs and make a better product. You can also compare it to Toyota, one huge recall or problem and that could destroy your reputation. BTW Toyotas use(d) Rotas on their production cars at one point or another (doesn't relate to argument, just interesting find).
I don't want this to be a bash on Rotas, but I'd like it to be a friendly argument
.OP it's not my opinion that should measure whether you buy these or not, you just need to understand that stuff like this may happen.CLIFF NOTES: Rotas had a bad batch earlier in production; could have caused hate for Rotas. Broken Rotas are seen on a daily basis where as the Dymags were broken due to heavy track abuse. I don't hate Rotas because they break so much that they are imitations for daily use. Imitations for track and off-road use are understandable if they are expected to be replaced. OP should go for what he want, and not what others decide for him (me).
This has nothing to do with the OP.
Now please
04-06-2010 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Benihana,Apr 5 2010, 10:50 PM
They do suck, wouldn't say it if it weren't true.
Don't assume someone says it just to say it.
Don't assume someone says it just to say it.
04-06-2010 | 12:00 PM
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Wow, didn't know what I was starting, but pretty impressed Benihanas research. Sounds like a guy that has a legitimate bias towards them for his own reasons. That is fine buy me. But when you call them roturds, it makes you sound like you don't like them just because of their name. Personally I have never heard of Rotas failing. Like stated earlier that cracked wheel was from a batch 7 years ago which Rota recalled.
Anyway, they are good starter wheels and I started with a set and have used Work wheels also.
Anyway, they are good starter wheels and I started with a set and have used Work wheels also.
04-06-2010 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RichV,Apr 6 2010, 02:00 PM
Wow, didn't know what I was starting, but pretty impressed Benihanas research. Sounds like a guy that has a legitimate bias towards them for his own reasons. That is fine buy me. But when you call them roturds, it makes you sound like you don't like them just because of their name. Personally I have never heard of Rotas failing. Like stated earlier that cracked wheel was from a batch 7 years ago which Rota recalled.
Anyway, they are good starter wheels and I started with a set and have used Work wheels also.
Anyway, they are good starter wheels and I started with a set and have used Work wheels also.
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