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02-17-2007, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mic_crispy,Feb 17 2007, 12:16 PM
The RE050's are some of the best tires you can buy.... just exspensive.
02-18-2007, 11:11 AM
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the RS-2's do offer good grip ... but do not have sidewall stiffness that I prefer. The grip can make up for some of it when you're 'in deep' ... but i prefer knowing 'deep' is coming ... and then adjust. 
My ES100's were considerably more stiff in the sidewall ... really good communication. Not as sticky as the RS-2 ... but I could really put the car where i wanted it sooner because of their ability to 'talk' back.
I'm thinking I'll try the Tech M500's next just for comparison. Anyone here try them yet?
I've been told by a good AutoXer the MX's are great until they get hot (after more than 1 minute on a good street course). After a minute they tend to get slippery and quiet.
Someone said that Yokohama unveiled a new replacement for the ES100 at SEMA. The only thing I would like from the ES100 is a little more grip but same wear.
<dreamer 
My ES100's were considerably more stiff in the sidewall ... really good communication. Not as sticky as the RS-2 ... but I could really put the car where i wanted it sooner because of their ability to 'talk' back.
I'm thinking I'll try the Tech M500's next just for comparison. Anyone here try them yet?
I've been told by a good AutoXer the MX's are great until they get hot (after more than 1 minute on a good street course). After a minute they tend to get slippery and quiet.
Someone said that Yokohama unveiled a new replacement for the ES100 at SEMA. The only thing I would like from the ES100 is a little more grip but same wear.
<dreamer
02-18-2007, 11:18 AM
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[QUOTE=Bandiscoot,Feb 18 2007, 02:11 PM] the RS-2's do offer good grip ... but do not have sidewall stiffness that I prefer. The grip can make up for some of it when you're 'in deep' ... but i prefer knowing 'deep' is coming ... and then adjust.
My ES100's were considerably more stiff in the sidewall ... really good communication. Not as sticky as the RS-2 ... but I could really put the car where i wanted it sooner because of their ability to 'talk' back.
I'm thinking I'll try the Tech M500's next just for comparison. Anyone here try them yet?
I've been told by a good AutoXer the MX's are great until they get hot (after more than 1 minute on a good street course). After a minute they tend to get slippery and quiet.
Someone said that Yokohama unveiled a new replacement for the ES100 at SEMA. The only thing I would like from the ES100 is a little more grip but same wear. <dreamer
My ES100's were considerably more stiff in the sidewall ... really good communication. Not as sticky as the RS-2 ... but I could really put the car where i wanted it sooner because of their ability to 'talk' back.
I'm thinking I'll try the Tech M500's next just for comparison. Anyone here try them yet?
I've been told by a good AutoXer the MX's are great until they get hot (after more than 1 minute on a good street course). After a minute they tend to get slippery and quiet.
Someone said that Yokohama unveiled a new replacement for the ES100 at SEMA. The only thing I would like from the ES100 is a little more grip but same wear.
<dreamer
02-18-2007, 03:45 PM
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it's okay ... i know how opinions are ...
Myself, negcamber, and several other folks running the RS2's (including several non-s2k) at the last event at GIR all had the same feeling about them. The RS2's are so soft in the sidewall you end up trying too hard to compensate with tire pressure. Then you high-ridge the tire and get REALLY squirelly.
But, the grip level is good enough to compensate as long as the transitions between the switch-backs aren't too quick.
But, the ES100 is a 280 AAA tire ... the RS2's are only 200. I've had 2 sets of ES100's and am currently on my second set of RS2's and the ES100's do last longer with about 80% of the grip of the RS2.
For a great daily, high grip tire ... i prefer the ES100's.
mic crispy: what kind of car did your friend have each tire on back-to-back?
Myself, negcamber, and several other folks running the RS2's (including several non-s2k) at the last event at GIR all had the same feeling about them. The RS2's are so soft in the sidewall you end up trying too hard to compensate with tire pressure. Then you high-ridge the tire and get REALLY squirelly.
But, the grip level is good enough to compensate as long as the transitions between the switch-backs aren't too quick.
But, the ES100 is a 280 AAA tire ... the RS2's are only 200. I've had 2 sets of ES100's and am currently on my second set of RS2's and the ES100's do last longer with about 80% of the grip of the RS2.
For a great daily, high grip tire ... i prefer the ES100's.
mic crispy: what kind of car did your friend have each tire on back-to-back?
02-18-2007, 03:51 PM
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RSX-S... + tons of suspension mods.
Ill soon have a more educated opinion of the RS2's once i get them on... You have the stock 16's? Im on 17s (and so is his rsx-s) so that might make a slight diffrence aswell..
Ill soon have a more educated opinion of the RS2's once i get them on... You have the stock 16's? Im on 17s (and so is his rsx-s) so that might make a slight diffrence aswell..
02-19-2007, 08:04 AM
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good point ... yep, i'm running the 225/45 16 front --- 245/45 16 rear.
17's, especially on the RSX-S, will have much less sidewall to deform (225/40 17's??). I had 235/45 17 Pilot Sport Cup's on my RSX-S and it was amazingly stiff.
Also ... FWD vs. RWD can make a difference in overall 'feel' ... not to mention Macpherson strut VS. dual wishbone setups.
My fronts are still 50% ... the rears are gone (RS2). The new rears are in the garage and I'll put them on this week. Right now i am having fun with so much grip ... as long as no one spits on the road!
17's, especially on the RSX-S, will have much less sidewall to deform (225/40 17's??). I had 235/45 17 Pilot Sport Cup's on my RSX-S and it was amazingly stiff.
Also ... FWD vs. RWD can make a difference in overall 'feel' ... not to mention Macpherson strut VS. dual wishbone setups.
My fronts are still 50% ... the rears are gone (RS2). The new rears are in the garage and I'll put them on this week. Right now i am having fun with so much grip ... as long as no one spits on the road!
02-19-2007, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Bandiscoot,Feb 19 2007, 11:04 AM
good point ... yep, i'm running the 225/45 16 front --- 245/45 16 rear.
17's, especially on the RSX-S, will have much less sidewall to deform (225/40 17's??). I had 235/45 17 Pilot Sport Cup's on my RSX-S and it was amazingly stiff.
Also ... FWD vs. RWD can make a difference in overall 'feel' ... not to mention Macpherson strut VS. dual wishbone setups.
17's, especially on the RSX-S, will have much less sidewall to deform (225/40 17's??). I had 235/45 17 Pilot Sport Cup's on my RSX-S and it was amazingly stiff.
Also ... FWD vs. RWD can make a difference in overall 'feel' ... not to mention Macpherson strut VS. dual wishbone setups.
Hes running 235/45 aswell.
Ill be running 215/245 setup, so it may not be as soft as your setup so we will see..
BTW was it hard to get your rears in? the 245/40/17 rs2's have been sold out everywhere... it took me about a week to track some down.
02-19-2007, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bandiscoot,Feb 18 2007, 04:45 PM
it's okay ... i know how opinions are ...
Myself, negcamber, and several other folks running the RS2's (including several non-s2k) at the last event at GIR all had the same feeling about them. The RS2's are so soft in the sidewall you end up trying too hard to compensate with tire pressure. Then you high-ridge the tire and get REALLY squirelly.
But, the grip level is good enough to compensate as long as the transitions between the switch-backs aren't too quick.
But, the ES100 is a 280 AAA tire ... the RS2's are only 200. I've had 2 sets of ES100's and am currently on my second set of RS2's and the ES100's do last longer with about 80% of the grip of the RS2.
For a great daily, high grip tire ... i prefer the ES100's.
mic crispy: what kind of car did your friend have each tire on back-to-back?
Myself, negcamber, and several other folks running the RS2's (including several non-s2k) at the last event at GIR all had the same feeling about them. The RS2's are so soft in the sidewall you end up trying too hard to compensate with tire pressure. Then you high-ridge the tire and get REALLY squirelly.
But, the grip level is good enough to compensate as long as the transitions between the switch-backs aren't too quick.
But, the ES100 is a 280 AAA tire ... the RS2's are only 200. I've had 2 sets of ES100's and am currently on my second set of RS2's and the ES100's do last longer with about 80% of the grip of the RS2.
For a great daily, high grip tire ... i prefer the ES100's.
mic crispy: what kind of car did your friend have each tire on back-to-back?
now granted i drive a diff car than yall (see sig), but b/w crispy and myself we have experienced all the tires in question.
here are my impressions of them...
es100 (had 225/45-17s)- good to make a coffee table out of. thats about it.
greasy when hot, inexcusably short tread life, not-so stiff sidewall.
-they did nothing well and they werent inexpensive either.
MX- (also 225's). overall good tire. relatively soft sidewall though. NEVER got greasy- even on a roadcourse. treadlife was acceptable for the performance level of the tire.
RS2's. the best ive tried so far (235/40s) good sidewall stiffness- better than the MX's but not as good as say an A046. they dont get greasy, and have good 'feel' as well. i think ive finally found a tire im going to stick with here. $440 a set for a tire that does decently in rain, cold, autox, and light HPDE.
current setup on the car with the RS2's is
j's roll center adjusters, ~2in drop with 8/10k springs, 17 x 8.5 + 40 front, 17 x 8 + 35 rear. 39/37 psi -2/-1.5 camber +2 frt caster
btw, treadwear ratings are meaningless, unless youre comparing tires of the same company, and even then they are to be taken with a grain of salt. case in point, bridgestone rated their Re-01R higher than they would have just to make it legal for certain AutoX classes.