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Old 09-10-2011 | 03:01 PM
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I have a MY00 NFR with only 9,000 original miles on that I need to replace the tires on - they are 11 years old now. Yikes! I figured that since I needed to replace tires, I'd replace the rims and suspension, too!

The car is not driven in anything but warm, sunny conditions. No rain and no snow. It's driven for pleasure, pushed hard from time to time, but not beat on or raced. Perhaps an autocross, but none so far.

I am considering the 17" Enkei Racing PF01 rims:
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...550BS&i2_Qty=2

I am considering the Bridgestone Potenza RE760 Sport Tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....760XL&i3_Qty=2

I am considering the Bilstein PSS-9 coil-over suspension:
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/s...ein&model=PSS9 Coil-Over Kit&group=PSS9 Coil-Over Kit&partNum=48-088657&48-088657_Qty=1&autoMake=Honda&autoModel=S2000&autoYe ar=2000&autoModClar=

Questions:

1.) What offset, and rim width, should I buy to achieve a stance that allows the wheels/tires to be flush with the fender, but require no rolling of the fenders and doesn't result in any rubbing? Note that I won't lower the PSS9's more than 85% as I have a front lip.

2.) What size of tire should I get in 17" fitting? What are the thoughts on those tires for my needs (see above)? A family memeber has them on a Miata and likes them. The reviews looked good and I like the price a lot. If you don't like them, please suggest something that you do in at a price point that is at least close. $200+ for one tire is a bit too much for me.

I read the FAQ quite a bit and feel like I get most of it. Candidly, I'm hoping some of you will help me avoid making a mistake as I can see how it could easily happen.

Jim, if you can weigh in, I would appreciate it. I plan to order directly from you/Tirerack.

Thanks,
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Old 09-10-2011 | 03:52 PM
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Wow, 9k original miles!

Where did you find that?!

As far as tires, Hankook Ventus V12 Evo's were rated better by car and driver than the Bridgestone Potenza RE760,

They are also significantly cheaper, $89 for 205/50R17 and $97 for 225/45R17 vs $132/$135

I've had two of these sets on my 8th gen civ si and a set on street wheels for my boxster. The value is really good if you plan to use them mainly on the street,

If you plan to AX allot on a hot/abrasive track (parking lot/wherever they do it where your located) the tires will get worn pretty quick. If your just going to do some spirited driving now and then they are fantastic, and can't be beat for the cost IMO

I'm looking for an AP1 to replace my track car and have found allot of s2k drivers posting favorable comments on them.

Hope this helps some, (also Hankook has had a $60ish dollar rebate on the tires every time I've purchased a set)
Old 09-10-2011 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by aberz
Wow, 9k original miles!

Where did you find that?!

As far as tires, Hankook Ventus V12 Evo's were rated better by car and driver than the Bridgestone Potenza RE760,

They are also significantly cheaper, $89 for 205/50R17 and $97 for 225/45R17 vs $132/$135

I've had two of these sets on my 8th gen civ si and a set on street wheels for my boxster. The value is really good if you plan to use them mainly on the street,

If you plan to AX allot on a hot/abrasive track (parking lot/wherever they do it where your located) the tires will get worn pretty quick. If your just going to do some spirited driving now and then they are fantastic, and can't be beat for the cost IMO

I'm looking for an AP1 to replace my track car and have found allot of s2k drivers posting favorable comments on them.

Hope this helps some, (also Hankook has had a $60ish dollar rebate on the tires every time I've purchased a set)
Thanks. I purchased it nearly 4 years ago with 5,800 miles. I was pleased to have found it in it's 100% stock form and in great condition. Thanks for the input on the tires - I'll look into them!
Old 09-10-2011 | 05:49 PM
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I would definately go with the new 17X9 +60 PF01 for the rear.
On the fronts if you want to stay staggered you can go with the 17X8 PF01s in your link, with the 225/45R17 tires. And I'd go with 255/40R17 tires on the rears.
If you want to be able to rotate your tires front to rear, then you can go with the 17X9s on the front, and 245/40R17 tires on all 4 corners. (255s on the front will rub without rolling the fenders and/or bending the liner tabs)
If you go with a square set-up you'll need to do something to compensate for the extra front grip, either a stiffer front sway bar, or disconnecting your rear sway bar (I'd recommend the stiffer front bar).

For your dry sunny driving, I'd go with Dunlop Z1 StarSpecs, the are a much better class of tire than what you were looking at or previously mentioned.

For a little more than the Bilstein PSS-9s you were looking at you could take a big step up with KW V3s.
Old 09-11-2011 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TTMartin
I would definately go with the new 17X9 +60 PF01 for the rear.
On the fronts if you want to stay staggered you can go with the 17X8 PF01s in your link, with the 225/45R17 tires. And I'd go with 255/40R17 tires on the rears.
If you want to be able to rotate your tires front to rear, then you can go with the 17X9s on the front, and 245/40R17 tires on all 4 corners. (255s on the front will rub without rolling the fenders and/or bending the liner tabs)
If you go with a square set-up you'll need to do something to compensate for the extra front grip, either a stiffer front sway bar, or disconnecting your rear sway bar (I'd recommend the stiffer front bar).

For your dry sunny driving, I'd go with Dunlop Z1 StarSpecs, the are a much better class of tire than what you were looking at or previously mentioned.

For a little more than the Bilstein PSS-9s you were looking at you could take a big step up with KW V3s.

I appreciate the input; however, part of what you are getting at is not what I want to get into - trimming tabs, rolling fenders, etc. I want a setup that sits as close to the fender lip as possible, WITHOUT any tab trimming or fender rolling. I just don't want to get into that.

The input on the tires is appreciated. I have read about them; I just don't have a lot of experience with Dunlop. Perhaps I need to read even more.

Where at in Ohio are you? I'm now in the Medina, Ohio area - near Cleveland.

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Old 09-11-2011 | 07:20 AM
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As far as wheels go, the OZ allegeritta (SP?) available on tire rack will fit nicely. Poke around on tirerack since they can sort the wheels by what fits on your car. And if the wheel is not quite as close to the fender as you would like you can add a small spacer, but at least you know the fenders wont rub.

FOr your application I would look to something higher performance than the Bridgestone RE760.. I have driven on them and they are good tires but for your application the Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec are a FAR superior tire, they may not last quite as long, but they grip very well, are great in the rain if you get caught out in the rain, work well even before they come up to temperature, and have awesome steering response.
Another tire to consider is the Hankook RS3, they are grippier still in the warm and dry compared to the Star Specs, but they do not last as long and the steering response is not as good, they are a better dry warm autox tire but the dry grip difference will be hard to notice on the street and they don't last as long.
Old 09-11-2011 | 01:22 PM
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I have been super happy with my PSS9's and Star Specs for spirited mountain driving.

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Old 09-11-2011 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by shumax
I appreciate the input; however, part of what you are getting at is not what I want to get into - trimming tabs, rolling fenders, etc. I want a setup that sits as close to the fender lip as possible, WITHOUT any tab trimming or fender rolling. I just don't want to get into that.

The input on the tires is appreciated. I have read about them; I just don't have a lot of experience with Dunlop. Perhaps I need to read even more.

Where at in Ohio are you? I'm now in the Medina, Ohio area - near Cleveland.

Shumax
I'm in Oberlin, not far from Medina. And what I was saying as long as you do NOT go with 255s on the front you should not have to roll your fenders. So you can go 225 front and 255 rear and not worry about rolling the fenders. If you want to go to a square set up, you can use 245s front and rear and not have to worry about rolling or rubbing.

The Dunlop Z1 Star Specs are almost as good as the Bridgestone RE11s. That gives you an idea of the class of tire they are in. They are much better than the Bridgestone RE760s you were looking at. You should definately do more research on the tires.

Hope to see you around.
Old 09-11-2011 | 05:14 PM
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I just picked up the tr motorsports c3 17x9 front and rear with 225's on all 4 and have no rubbing so far.

Old 09-11-2011 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TTMartin
The Dunlop Z1 Star Specs are almost as good as the Bridgestone RE11s. That gives you an idea of the class of tire they are in.
According to multiple tests in Grass Roots Motorsports Magazine, its give and take... The RE-11 setting the single best time but the Dunlop having a faster average time... and have said that the RE-11 is far less predictable... that said, for his application I think the Dunlop is better especially after looking at price.



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