225's on Ap2's Front Wheels?
10-31-2006, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by IIGQ4U,Oct 30 2006, 05:59 PM
Depends on what you are trying to do. If you are trying to be fast, you will want a more aggressive alignment. Is money a big issue?
I won't be auto-x'ing (don't think so anyways), but will be doing Willlow Springs, Button Willow, etc. So I will need some stability at higher speeds. Don't care if the track tires get beat up for the occassional street use, if it'll handle acceptably on the street and great on the track.
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10-31-2006, 11:30 AM
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Are you planning to stay on street tires?
I would start with the UK alignment if I were you and get a feel for the car and proceed from there. You need to start with a base and the UK seems to be a pretty fair one to start.
I would start with the UK alignment if I were you and get a feel for the car and proceed from there. You need to start with a base and the UK seems to be a pretty fair one to start.
11-01-2006, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by IIGQ4U,Oct 30 2006, 09:06 AM
The stagger should be greater than stock AP2 stagger. I was under the impression that the AP2 stagger is 215/245. We are speaking of a 215/255 which will increase understeer.
11-01-2006, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by laguna2s2k,Nov 1 2006, 06:52 PM
Yes, the sidewall #s OEM give you a stagger of 215/245, but the re050s in front are curiously narrow! If you look at the tread width #s, the re050s are essentially 205s, making the actual stagger more like 205/245 (the re050s in rear are average width) therefore a 215/255 setup in just about any other brand of tire will give you the same stagger as stock, Now on that note, in my experience, Ihave not yet tracked my06, but have gone on some hard rides, I have only had to correct for understeer, without a hint of oversteer (Honda has really dialed it out for 06). I was actually surprised after reading about the s2000s oversteer tendancies. If I had to make an adjustment right now, I would reduce the stagger and go a width wider in the front, or 215/245 stagger in a different brand.
Are you running stock alignment, or have you changed anything? Before my alignment, my '04 was a serious oversteerer. With the stockish alignment, slightly more camber on both ends, it is easily controlled oversteer. Whether goofing around on the street, or brisk canyon driving, the front end has never gone out on me.
Now that I've got a few more days on the 615's, I'm very happy with the balance and am getting more confident with the setup. Interestingly, they ride much better than the stock tires and handle expansion joints, etc much better. Didn't expect that. Also odd....despite numerous attempts to get the steering wheel centered by both the dealership and independent front end place, it never was perfect. Now it is! Simple pleasures.
As any everyday tire, these are better than stock. Rain may also be another story, but not much of an issue here in Socal. Thinking I'll probably leave these on 'til I return the car, and then throw the stock ones back on.
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11-01-2006, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by laguna2s2k,Nov 1 2006, 09:52 PM
Yes, the sidewall #s OEM give you a stagger of 215/245, but the re050s in front are curiously narrow! If you look at the tread width #s, the re050s are essentially 205s, making the actual stagger more like 205/245 (the re050s in rear are average width) therefore a 215/255 setup in just about any other brand of tire will give you the same stagger as stock, Now on that note, in my experience, Ihave not yet tracked my06, but have gone on some hard rides, I have only had to correct for understeer, without a hint of oversteer (Honda has really dialed it out for 06). I was actually surprised after reading about the s2000s oversteer tendancies. If I had to make an adjustment right now, I would reduce the stagger and go a width wider in the front, or 215/245 stagger in a different brand.
so the 215 is more like a 205, and the 245 is more like a 260:lol:
11-02-2006, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark16q,Nov 1 2006, 09:16 PM
Laguna,
Are you running stock alignment, or have you changed anything? Before my alignment, my '04 was a serious oversteerer. With the stockish alignment, slightly more camber on both ends, it is easily controlled oversteer. Whether goofing around on the street, brisk canyon driving, or track, the front end has never gone out on me.
Now that I've got a few more days on the 615's, I'm very happy with the balance and am getting more confident with the setup. Interestingly, they ride much better than the stock tires and handle expansion joints, etc much better. Didn't expect that. Also odd....despite numerous attempts to get the steering wheel centered by both the dealership and independent front end place, it never was perfect. Now it is! Simple pleasures.
Putting aside track performance, as I don't know how that'll go, as any everyday tire, these are better than stock. Rain may also be another story, but not much of an issue here in Socal. Thinking I'll probably leave these on 'til I return the car, and then throw the stock ones back on.
Mark
Are you running stock alignment, or have you changed anything? Before my alignment, my '04 was a serious oversteerer. With the stockish alignment, slightly more camber on both ends, it is easily controlled oversteer. Whether goofing around on the street, brisk canyon driving, or track, the front end has never gone out on me.
Now that I've got a few more days on the 615's, I'm very happy with the balance and am getting more confident with the setup. Interestingly, they ride much better than the stock tires and handle expansion joints, etc much better. Didn't expect that. Also odd....despite numerous attempts to get the steering wheel centered by both the dealership and independent front end place, it never was perfect. Now it is! Simple pleasures.
Putting aside track performance, as I don't know how that'll go, as any everyday tire, these are better than stock. Rain may also be another story, but not much of an issue here in Socal. Thinking I'll probably leave these on 'til I return the car, and then throw the stock ones back on.
Mark
11-02-2006, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by [AP2-2NV
,Nov 1 2006, 09:20 PM] the 245re050 runs pretty wide too. 9" tread width, out of all the 255's i checked out, none of them had a 9" tread width. i looked at the 265's and they all had around 9.1-9.3.
so the 215 is more like a 205, and the 245 is more like a 260:lol:
so the 215 is more like a 205, and the 245 is more like a 260:lol:
