When to replace tyres
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Originally Posted by Mikey81' timestamp='1408454732' post='23293005
It does seem wrong fitting new tyres and then using them on track
What would seem wrong is the logic of using old tyres in a demanding environment.
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Originally Posted by richmc' timestamp='1408518850' post='23294230
[quote name='Mikey81' timestamp='1408454732' post='23293005']
It does seem wrong fitting new tyres and then using them on track
It does seem wrong fitting new tyres and then using them on track
What would seem wrong is the logic of using old tyres in a demanding environment.
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Makes no difference if it's a road car or not, you still are going to need decent tyres ON TRACK, helps you stop being dead or wrecking your car, and anything that helps that is good. You may as well do no prep at all and pootle around the track doing 40mph.
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I know this doesn't conform with most of the above, but I took my car on the track with just over 2mm (I think?) on the rears. I was slightly worried about them being illegal by the time I finished but wasn't the case. I planned to replace them straight afterwards, for the exact same reason, and personally speaking, it didn't ruin my enjoyment either. In fact, the car surprised me how well it gripped TBH. I am however by no means a track day expert..
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Not sure I agree with everything here.
Decent tyres and decent tyres regardless of tread level.
Sure worn tyres are worse in the wet as they cant shift water as well. However in the dry just because they are worn doesnt mean they suddenly lose a load of grip compared to new - infact the lower tread can help, firstly less movement will help with feel on the track and secondly, the lower amount of tread will help keep the surface temperatures down as there is less distortion and less heat generated.
Now its hard to comment without seeing them or knowing how you drive, but in my experience the S2000 - when driven smoothly - isn't too bad for tyre wear.
Keep and eye on pressures at the end of the session as this will help the tyre run at the correct operating temps.
Brucies bonus is worn tyres are lighter too
Decent tyres and decent tyres regardless of tread level.
Sure worn tyres are worse in the wet as they cant shift water as well. However in the dry just because they are worn doesnt mean they suddenly lose a load of grip compared to new - infact the lower tread can help, firstly less movement will help with feel on the track and secondly, the lower amount of tread will help keep the surface temperatures down as there is less distortion and less heat generated.
Now its hard to comment without seeing them or knowing how you drive, but in my experience the S2000 - when driven smoothly - isn't too bad for tyre wear.
Keep and eye on pressures at the end of the session as this will help the tyre run at the correct operating temps.
Brucies bonus is worn tyres are lighter too
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OK. Some actual experience.
Having driven on both damp and dry tracks with fairly well-worn tyres (2-3mm left) and new-ish tyres, I can report that grip levels and cornering speeds were much better with the new-ish tyres, the effect being more pronounced in the damp of course.
Given bikky's track day is at Croft, which is oop norf, it's more than likely to be damp/wet, so newer tyres make a lot of sense.
Having driven on both damp and dry tracks with fairly well-worn tyres (2-3mm left) and new-ish tyres, I can report that grip levels and cornering speeds were much better with the new-ish tyres, the effect being more pronounced in the damp of course.
Given bikky's track day is at Croft, which is oop norf, it's more than likely to be damp/wet, so newer tyres make a lot of sense.
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OK. Some actual experience.
Having driven on both damp and dry tracks with fairly well-worn tyres (2-3mm left) and new-ish tyres, I can report that grip levels and cornering speeds were much better with the new-ish tyres, the effect being more pronounced in the damp of course.
Given bikky's track day is at Croft, which is oop norf, it's more than likely to be damp/wet, so newer tyres make a lot of sense.
Having driven on both damp and dry tracks with fairly well-worn tyres (2-3mm left) and new-ish tyres, I can report that grip levels and cornering speeds were much better with the new-ish tyres, the effect being more pronounced in the damp of course.
Given bikky's track day is at Croft, which is oop norf, it's more than likely to be damp/wet, so newer tyres make a lot of sense.
#29
Well on these notes... I'd always assumed as per lovegroova's comments. Also WRT F1 comments, yes they use new tyres, BUT given the chance they also run slicks.
They also run SOFT tyres for better tread, hence 3 lots of tyres per race (same as track day tyres for amatures).
I'd like to think I drive fairly smoothly (I'm certainly not stamping my foot down).
Also even in the damp, I've been trying to break free gradually on corners and not able to, even in the damp (actually I can if I STOMP the throttle at higher revs, but I've already stated I don't stomp).
BUT aside from all this, I've decided I'm going to get new tyres just before the day, So my last mm or so of tread is being beaten about at the moment
They also run SOFT tyres for better tread, hence 3 lots of tyres per race (same as track day tyres for amatures).
I'd like to think I drive fairly smoothly (I'm certainly not stamping my foot down).
Also even in the damp, I've been trying to break free gradually on corners and not able to, even in the damp (actually I can if I STOMP the throttle at higher revs, but I've already stated I don't stomp).
BUT aside from all this, I've decided I'm going to get new tyres just before the day, So my last mm or so of tread is being beaten about at the moment
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