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What decat to match a js manifold and amuse exhaust?

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Old 05-20-2014, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by loftust
As LG eluded, you are in danger of running into too lean territory.
No, you aren't anywhere close.

Originally Posted by KristianP
Does changing the manifold and removing the cat really cause the car to run lean? I would have thought that unless you change the intake or dive into changing engine internals then I would understand.

I suppose with the exhaust flowing better, more gas can leave the engine but wouldn't the air/fuel mix stay the same going into the engine?
The maps Honda throw out are ridiculously rich and I do mean into the tens AFR up past 8500. For NA, 13 is what you want. Stoichiometric is 14.7, so you can realise how rich 10 is!

And besides, your assuming you are going to gain magic flow properties with this J's manifold
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I have a Js manifold for sale.

Ron, incorrect.

With an intake / J's header / decat you will be lean to the point you are in the 14s for sustained duration in the upper mid range. Seen it several times with my own eyes. With an exhaust system as well you will be too lean and will need the ECU map tweaking.

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/762...#entry18311637

I also wouldnt be aiming for an AFR of 13, 12.5 would be safer.
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Now to read up on afr...so much to consider
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MB, any chance you can sort a finance deal on your manifold ;p

10.0 to 14.0 is a huge difference, although with the intake, I would understand having a higher afr due to the volume of air going in. Surly if he was just to fit the header and decat you won't be near those figures?
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I would be looking at just the exhaust manifold and decat to go with my exhaust and ecu for now otherwise I might get a telling off
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Originally Posted by MB
I have a Js manifold for sale.

Ron, incorrect.

With an intake / J's header / decat you will be lean to the point you are in the 14s for sustained duration in the upper mid range. Seen it several times with my own eyes. With an exhaust system as well you will be too lean and will need the ECU map tweaking.

https://www.s2ki.com/...7#entry18311637

I also wouldnt be aiming for an AFR of 13, 12.5 would be safer.
I have a PLM header + OEM cat + invidia N1 cat back, so am I correct in thinking i'll need a tune now?
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My limited experience relates to Kim's car at the dyno day we had last year where his dyno runs were abandoned by the guys at TDi because of potential damage due to some sort of alchemy problems.

He had the following fitted:
Fujita F5 Intake
DMS exhaust, manifold and decat

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Originally Posted by lovegroova
My limited experience relates to Kim's car at the dyno day we had last year where his dyno runs were abandoned by the guys at TDi because of potential damage due to some sort of alchemy problems.

He had the following fitted:
Fujita F5 Intake
DMS exhaust, manifold and decat

Yep, I remember that, I was quite suprised.
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Originally Posted by C7 JFW
Originally Posted by MB' timestamp='1400630550' post='23168731
I have a Js manifold for sale.

Ron, incorrect.

With an intake / J's header / decat you will be lean to the point you are in the 14s for sustained duration in the upper mid range. Seen it several times with my own eyes. With an exhaust system as well you will be too lean and will need the ECU map tweaking.

https://www.s2ki.com/...7#entry18311637

I also wouldnt be aiming for an AFR of 13, 12.5 would be safer.
I have a PLM header + OEM cat + invidia N1 cat back, so am I correct in thinking i'll need a tune now?
You should be ok, it tends to be when you have a combination of breathing mods. With the oem cat and intake you have some restriction to keep things in check. Always best to check though.
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Originally Posted by lovegroova
My limited experience relates to Kim's car at the dyno day we had last year where his dyno runs were abandoned by the guys at TDi because of potential damage due to some sort of alchemy problems.

He had the following fitted:
Fujita F5 Intake
DMS exhaust, manifold and decat

I'd expect issues there tbh.


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