Nottm_S2

not at all an excuse no. but camera vans blanket apply a rule which is there to be applied sensibly.

70mph in fog is legal. 70mph in heavy rain with standing water is legal. 80mph in the dry on a clear sunny day is not. you tell me which is safest. common sense.

scamera vans make money for the local police authorities, that is the incentive given to them by tony blair. if you want effective control then specs is the only way as it measure average speed.

in 1997 I was tailed on the A4 in London late at night, I'd done over 100 leptons at one point, noone around and the stretch i was on had barriers to stop pedestrians getting on to the road, it was dual carriageway. there were speed cameras but the officer who pulled me rightly observed i 'slowed for all of 100 yards' at each one.

I got a slap on the wrist which I deserved and it slowed me right down. NIP has the opposite effect, I know they're crap at catching me so I actually speed up out of anger. especially when its a clear day and i'm 3mph over the limit.

my laser/radar detector means i don't get caught at all now

mikdys

1. You obviously agree with the school of thought that "its better to shoot first from a concealed position and then ask qusetions later"

2. Trouble is this government doesn't listen (no point you turning up at the next M4 scamera protest then)

mikdys

or false number plates or a European vehicle still registered abroad

mikdys

Good point about specs - its the only system where (when its signed obviously) you see all the traffic obeying the limit (instead of the one or two people with 9 points and everybody else seriously tailgating them - come to think of it that situation is more dangerous than breaking the limit isn't it )

BTW, talking about specs, watch out for the new installation of these in the tunnel on the M25 near the M11 turn-off.

Nick Graves

Now where are my Belgian transit plates?

BTW, the TTG's great - 270 yards before, it 'dongs', reminds me of the start of "Hell's Bells" by AC/DC, which seems appropriate.

s200sw

Nothing more than fundraisers... period!

I've past five of the feckers since Wednesday... most recently this morning at 9.30 travelling into Nottingham to shop and they are:

A) Totally inaffective against bad driving which is the main cause of accidents

B) A feckin menace!!

If i go around handbrake turning in the middle of the carriageway and drive around pi$$ed as a fart then how are the precious cameras gonna cure that?

And don't tell me the beat officers will deal with it as most forces patrols have been cut since the introduction of the "money makers".

Nottm_S2

exactly.. in the good old days you always got pulled over and breathalysed..

no money in that though so the bloke stays in his van now.

s h y t e

fazer1k

Thankyou, much respect and praise to someone who always slows down in built up areas and always slows down when they see a van at the side of the road

Rapid 17

Do you never break the speed limit matey ?

MarkB

Breaking the speed limit does not automatically equal driving in an unsafe manner.

Just as always staying within the limit does not always equal driving safely.

Speed cameras do not make roads safer, the figures have been entirely telling (when the spin applied by the various interested parties has been removed) - roads are no safer with speed cameras placed on them. In fact, informing drivers of upcoming hazards and re-engineering dangerous junctions etc. has proved to be a far better road safety tool.

But illuminated signage and better designed roads cost money, and the value of life is apparently not great enough to warrant investment on the scale needed. Far easier to convince the more gullible members of the population that speed kills and then tax the unwary for minor indiscretions.