Police...advising....motorists of ways to avoid speeding penalties....
03-11-2004, 01:27 PM
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Police...advising....motorists of ways to avoid speeding penalties....
...got you reading:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbysh...ire/3500694.stm
It doesn't work either - friend of mine just tried it and got a letter back by return threatening serious trouble if he didn't sign the "NIP"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbysh...ire/3500694.stm
It doesn't work either - friend of mine just tried it and got a letter back by return threatening serious trouble if he didn't sign the "NIP"
03-11-2004, 01:46 PM
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He didn't feel inclined to push it further (his wife is going to get yet another 3 points now!) Seems to me you would have to take it to court to find out and the penalties can then be a lot higher than a fixed notice.
03-11-2004, 01:58 PM
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These threats of prosecution from Derbyshire Police (and others) leave a bad taste in the mouth, and would carry a lot more conviction if they were to enlighten us as to just what alternative charges those who refuse to sign this form are likely to face. I can't think of one - try as I might .
You can bet that given the vast amounts of revenue involved, there are some pretty high- powered legal brains being consulted on the issue, but I've yet to hear of anyone appearing before Their Worships as a result of not signing this form.
The original legislation requires you to furnish details of the driver but the drafting of the legislation was a cock-up insofar as it never created a mandatory obligation to sign the form. Without a signature, the form is as admissable in evidence as an unsigned statement( it just isn't) and therein lies the problem.
This only came to light when a Mag's Clerk somewhere noted this one day, and the rest is history. The whole thing is a legislative farce and it needs new legislation to plug the hole, but that takes time. We're all urged to respect the law, and if we return the form unsigned, but furnishing the driver details, we have complied fully with the letter of it, but these bully boy tactics in support of a bad situation are thoroughly distasteful.
You can bet that given the vast amounts of revenue involved, there are some pretty high- powered legal brains being consulted on the issue, but I've yet to hear of anyone appearing before Their Worships as a result of not signing this form.The original legislation requires you to furnish details of the driver but the drafting of the legislation was a cock-up insofar as it never created a mandatory obligation to sign the form. Without a signature, the form is as admissable in evidence as an unsigned statement( it just isn't) and therein lies the problem.
This only came to light when a Mag's Clerk somewhere noted this one day, and the rest is history. The whole thing is a legislative farce and it needs new legislation to plug the hole, but that takes time. We're all urged to respect the law, and if we return the form unsigned, but furnishing the driver details, we have complied fully with the letter of it, but these bully boy tactics in support of a bad situation are thoroughly distasteful.
03-11-2004, 02:17 PM
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Particularly ironic :
Ian Windmill from the Derbyshire Safety Camera Partnership said: "I'm a little bit surprised, certainly, and also very disappointed that a local solicitor would publish information on their website which is clearly incorrect."
As if the Scamera Partnerships publish even remotely accurate information.Pathetic.
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