master cylinder support bracket
07-05-2010, 09:49 AM
#13
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Surely physics is all that counts here?
For starters, it's the master cylinder that applies pressure to the brace, not the other way around.
All the brace has to do is to stop the master cylinder moving, at least as far as I understand it, is that correct?
As for spending money, Dixcels hardly come cheap.
For starters, it's the master cylinder that applies pressure to the brace, not the other way around.
All the brace has to do is to stop the master cylinder moving, at least as far as I understand it, is that correct?
As for spending money, Dixcels hardly come cheap.
07-05-2010, 09:52 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by lovegroova,Jul 5 2010, 06:49 PM
Surely physics is all that counts here?
For starters, it's the master cylinder that applies pressure to the brace, not the other way around.
All the brace has to do is to stop the master cylinder moving, at least as far as I understand it, is that correct?
For starters, it's the master cylinder that applies pressure to the brace, not the other way around.
All the brace has to do is to stop the master cylinder moving, at least as far as I understand it, is that correct?
The master cylinder exerts the exact same amount of force onto the Cusco one as it does with the 'Lower' design...for the same amount of braking effort
All that is different with the Cusco one, is that the force is spread out over a greater area. This has no bearing on the ability to curtail the amount of movement whatsoever.
Cusco = Elephant
'Lower' / Tegiwa = Elephant in high heels
07-05-2010, 10:08 AM
#15
I definitely felt a difference after fitting Lower's copy brace, if someone felt it wasn't quite up the cusco version why not have a washer welded to the bolthead to give a greater area of contact.?
07-05-2010, 10:18 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by Sti Vi,Jul 5 2010, 06:59 PM
Simon I was surprised that you stumped up the cash on the Dixcels if I am honest. Since you now have the best brake set up, why skimp on the brace even if it only makes a minor difference? I believe two forces are required in this case, there is certainly a force applied from the Cusco Brace even before the Cylinder is moving although lets not get into physics.
With Loftus we apparently have an expert with all the answers on the forum, so lets all just go with the Lower one which was a very good effort and as I said at the beginning it could easily be modified to perform just as well
With Loftus we apparently have an expert with all the answers on the forum, so lets all just go with the Lower one which was a very good effort and as I said at the beginning it could easily be modified to perform just as well
It's quite simple when you think about it really
07-05-2010, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sti Vi,Jul 5 2010, 11:37 AM
Something is wrong then, as it is quite easy to feel the difference when the bracxe is fitted. Try removing it and see if you notice the change
I honestly don't rate this mod, especially for normal road use. This might be different on the track, but I'd concentrate on tyres and pads before wasting money on this brace.
Just my view
07-05-2010, 10:24 AM
#18
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Originally Posted by Sti Vi,Jul 5 2010, 06:59 PM
Simon I was surprised that you stumped up the cash on the Dixcels if I am honest. Since you now have the best brake set up, why skimp on the brace even if it only makes a minor difference? I believe two forces are required in this case, there is certainly a force applied from the Cusco Brace even before the Cylinder is moving although lets not get into physics.
With Loftus we apparently have an expert with all the answers on the forum, so lets all just go with the Lower one which was a very good effort and as I said at the beginning it could easily be modified to perform just as well
With Loftus we apparently have an expert with all the answers on the forum, so lets all just go with the Lower one which was a very good effort and as I said at the beginning it could easily be modified to perform just as well
The key question, physics aside (even though the physics remains the most important thing), is whether anyone could tell the difference between the two. You're the only person posting who's experienced both and you aren't able to say, so I'd guess not.
As for the Dixcels, they were tested and said to be better by several people who's opinions I respect (chilled, lower and dembo). This is a key differencebetween the Dixcels and the brace.
Having had problems on track with the OEM set up, it was a pretty easy decision, and makes sense from a monetary point of view in terms of trackday time and pad longevity.
I bought the brace before the Dixcels, mostly because those whose opinions I respect (see above) suggested it, and it was only a few quid, at that stage I really had no idea what it was for
07-05-2010, 10:34 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by Sti Vi,Jul 5 2010, 07:24 PM
but you have all the answers apparently so it doesn't matter
I contribute where my knowledge is helpful
FWIW, Dembo's Cusco brace did not fit flush with the strut tower, check the GB out
Lower sorted this problem out by refining his design. Therefore, IME, Lower Brace > Cusco.
07-05-2010, 10:42 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by Sti Vi,Jul 5 2010, 07:28 PM
I repeat there is a difference, but is it worth 3 times the price, probably not. I have a Cusco Brace and if you respected my opinion you could probably try it to see for yourself. Just like Loftus most of the opinion on here is not based on any substance of trying the products, but everyone thinks they have an expert opinion.
Your comments, so far as I can see, are more opinionated, rather than based on facts and engineering comprehension as you are saying 'lets not get into the physics'.
It's ALL about Physics, otherwise there would be no need for the product. It is designed to transfer the force into the rest of the braking system, rather than exert it as movement in the cylinder.