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Old 08-08-2007, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Paper Lawyer,Aug 7 2007, 10:57 PM
Remind me where you bought your M10 50mm bolts from Dave? Are they 12.9?
Fastfix direct IIRC (I'm sure you told me that). And they were 12.9.

I've still got 4 spare if you want them.
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Originally Posted by RedUn,Aug 8 2007, 09:30 AM
Craig, Chris F did have some 10.9's in stock, if your quick he still might have them if your interested.
I've chased him several times re ARB bushes and the like. I'll sort out the bolts myself I think. Thanks for the info though
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Originally Posted by Dembo,Aug 8 2007, 09:59 AM
Fastfix direct IIRC (I'm sure you told me that). And they were 12.9.

I've still got 4 spare if you want them.
Thanks Dave. found the bolts and I'll buy 8 but the nuts come in huge packs - did you just buy a small quantity of M10 nuts from B&Q or similar?
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Originally Posted by Paper Lawyer,Aug 8 2007, 10:13 AM
Thanks Dave. found the bolts and I'll buy 8 but the nuts come in huge packs - did you just buy a small quantity of M10 nuts from B&Q or similar?
I bought nuts from screwfix as they had them in smaller packages. I've got loads of those spare too. You want the nyloc ones otherwise you risk them vibrating loose, not sure if the likes of B&Q would have them.
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Actually, I may have some M10 nyloc in the big bag or assorted bolts and nuts - it was the fact that there were no M10 bolts which were long enough that stumped me. Thanks for the info. I'll just order the 8 bolts.
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves,Aug 7 2007, 09:29 PM
Braces (and lighter wheels) help the relatively fade-prone damping work better on bad UK roads.
Lighter wheels obviously, but how will the braces help the dampers? Obviously it will give them something stiffer to work against, but if the chassis is actually flexing slightly, surely that will be doing some of the work the dampers would be doing and thus stiffening the chassis will actually make the dampers work harder?

I'd expect the dampers to fade even quicker with braces fitted.
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Damper fade is not something I truly appreciated until I went out for my first drive with the Nitrons. A series of tight, fast bends simply doesn't flummax them whereas the OEMs would start to suffer. It's best described by me as the car feeling "up for it" as you attack windy roads. The ARBs also reduce the wallow.
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It's not inasmuch soft (especially on the early cars) but the damping is a bit lazy, especailly when warm. I think it's something that afflicts many Japanese cars on our roads.

Personally, I'd probably do the Nitrons before the ARBs, but then I like the car's balance as it is.
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Lazy damping is a different issue to fade though isn't it. I think of damper fade as being where the dampers have been working hard and the oil/gas has got hot and therefore thined, thus making the damper weaker.

Lazy damping is more of a manufacturer's settings isn't it? IE Honda decided to go for softer dampers as part of their chassis set up.
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves,Aug 7 2007, 12:29 PM
Thicker ARBs redude the independence of the suspension & introduce unpleasant 'waddle' on bad surfaces. Also, with even less roll, there is less indication of breakaway. So you will change its characteristics.
Ah...my mistake...I thought for a minute he was talking about THINNER ARBs!

...to my mind the car corners very flat and breaks pretty quickly already, a little more roll wouldn't be a big problem, not if you adjusted the camber/toe to compensate...



As regards 'lazy' damping...that tallies with my experiences, where if upset on entry into a fast corner (or even just a fast-but-rough-surface corner), the rear can start a gentle sideways oscillation, as if the dampers weren't quite matched to the springs. Braces seemed to reduce but not eliminate that...


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