radron

Hi Guys

It was under the extended warranty which is outsourced by Honda to Warranty Holdings, they saw the ECU exhaust etc, said that the engine must have been run outside of its tolerances because it had been modified.

ECU, PRM and spoon header probably account for 5 - 10 BHP max not a super charger or Mugenised which will give you more.

Muppets I explained all of this but being an insurance company they simply shrugged their shoulders and told me to sod off.

Honda UK just gave me a contact at WHA and said it wasnt their problem very politely of course.

The dealers were great (Chiswick Honda) they tried to hide all the mods but the guy took the ECU apart and found a spoon sticker or something.

Basically if your engine fails my little end snapped sending the piston crashing into the cylinder head and valves and the con rod through the sump. They caouldnt blame lack of oil as it had been into Honda who fitted the mods just a month or two previously.

Have investigated a second hand engine they come in at around 4K but you dont know the history or if has had recalls etc done so its not fair to put one in and sell it to some one. At least I know that Barwell will do a fantastic job as they build Honda Touring cars and engines and race them so they know them inside out.

Anyhow Ill keep you all posted, once its ready for sale.

Car is MY00 Silverstone
Spoon Manifold
HKS exhaust
4 new F1's
JL amp
JL speakers
Alpine Sat Nav
Alpine CD changer
Muz mats
Spoon FSTB
Muz Stabilisers

All the extras are worth at least 4 -5K

Ill be looking for around 18K once its back up and running

I have my PRM off the car so if anyone wants it let me know -

cheshire_carper

[QUOTE]Originally posted by daern

Bassoctopus

[QUOTE]Originally posted by radron
Have investigated a second hand engine they come in at around 4K but you dont know the history or if has had recalls etc done so its not fair to put one in and sell it to some one.

Amuse Boy

That really sucks! Honda UK is taking the piss. You should fight it out Radron - demand a proper explanation as to what caused the failure.

radron

Hi guys

The ECU is a spoon ECU full unit fitted by Barwell the Spoon recomended installer in the UK and AB I have had a nengineers report from them which will be going to a specialist for response and then to a solicitor, but at the mo I have had to buy another car and cant afford to wait for them to get their arses in gear.

Amuse Boy

[QUOTE]Originally posted by radron
Hi guys

GSi

Hi Ron, FWIW there might be some mileage in polling the US boards for any similar failures with similarly modded cars. There must be some benefit in several other owners with equally modified cars that haven't suffered failures.

zero_to60

out of interest how much was it to supply and fit the ecu and manifold??

Amuse Boy

I don't think the Mods could have caused the failure - wasn't BM using teh Spoon setup for a while? and as far as I know, his car is pretty modded.

Lurking Lawyer

I think we need to be clear here that the issue isn't with Honda UK - the contract for the extended warranty isn't with them. Morally, you might argue that they could have done more to assist a customer but, as a strict matter of law, it sounds to me on the basis of what Ron has said that it's not their problem.

What is of fundamental importance is the precise wording of the extended warranty agreement. If it says, in bald terms, "modification of the car will render this cover null and void", there isn't very much that Ron can do about it in legal terms - it was there in black and white and failure to comply with the requirement to leave the car in stock condition effectively consitutes a breach of contract which probably allows them to avoid cover.

If it isn't that clear cut, and the prohibition on modification isn't absolute, but rather gives a basis to avoid cover if the modification in question contributed to or caused the failure, that's a different story - the onus will be on the warranty company to prove that there is a causal link.

(Just to complicate matters further, if there are clauses in the contract which seek to exclude certain types of liability, it MAY be possible to argue that they are unenforceable. Not enough info for me to form a view either way on that point though)

If Ron has got an engineering report which says that it is unlikely that the Spoon ECU caused the problem, that gives them difficulties. Unless, of course, they get their own report which says that it DID cause the problem - which is very common in litigation

The one thing which would concern me on a purely practical level is that if any claim which Ron was to pursue was valued at