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Handling with S02s vs Yokohama AVS

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Old 07-28-2008, 01:15 AM
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So given all thats been said, whats the best 16" replacement tyre?
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Here we go again We have had a number of goes at this conversation and hence it's now in the FAQ / available through the search engine / etc, but here goes my own, personal, subjective opinion:

But for my money, Toyo Proxes T1-R in 16" - a good all rounder, with plenty of grip in the dry, a progressive breakaway (if you have the pressures correct) and good wet weather performance as long as you don't do anything silly... I've got about 6K out of this set so far, including approx 40 miles of track day, with approx 4-5mm remaining. Cost
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The original SO2s never squeal.. i've read that the closer you are to a slick the less squeal you get

they are crap in the wet though..

the new bridgestones i have squeal a lot but so far have gripped ok (but not as good as SO2s) and are massively better in the wet. i've not tracked it on these tyres though
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Originally Posted by Nottm_S2,Jul 28 2008, 10:50 AM
The original SO2s never squeal..
You should try Angelsey. They started squealing by the second corner of the first lap, and then every corner thereafter.

The S02s were grippy, but they tended to go "greasy" when hot and overheat quite easily. The 17" MZs seem much more consistent, much more controllable, and overall more fun, although maybe without quite so much outright grip.
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I've tracked mine on the 16" RE050as and they squeal quite a bit, more of a moan really. I find them perfectly adequate for road and the odd track day use.
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Originally Posted by Dembo,Jul 28 2008, 10:09 AM
You should try Angelsey. They started squealing by the second corner of the first lap, and then every corner thereafter.

The S02s were grippy, but they tended to go "greasy" when hot and overheat quite easily. The 17" MZs seem much more consistent, much more controllable, and overall more fun, although maybe without quite so much outright grip.
isn't there something strange about the surface there though?

i don't recall mine squealling at Donington or an airfield day i did... maybe i'm captain slow?
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I found it took a lot for the MZs to squeal, but my new GSD3s squeal at the slightest opportunity. It's kind of embarrassing when you put your foot down out of a junction and the inside wheel starts squealing when you're barely trying.
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Originally Posted by chrispayze,Jul 28 2008, 11:28 AM
I found it took a lot for the MZs to squeal, but my new GSD3s squeal at the slightest opportunity. It's kind of embarrassing when you put your foot down out of a junction and the inside wheel starts squealing when you're barely trying.
my understeering passat has gds3's on squeel on every bend, one of my passengers commented that the a team van must have been fitted with them
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Thanks for the tyre info, I think I will go for Toyos next time around.
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Originally Posted by chrispayze,Jul 28 2008, 11:28 AM
I found it took a lot for the MZs to squeal, but my new GSD3s squeal at the slightest opportunity. It's kind of embarrassing when you put your foot down out of a junction and the inside wheel starts squealing when you're barely trying.
Don't take it the wrong way though. Despite the squealing, I'm pretty impressed with them and only went for them over the Toyos due to the slightly stiffer sidewall.
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