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Old 08-08-2014, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves
it's probably worn bores.
It'll more likely be worn rings as the FRM is a LOT harder than the ring material for this very purpose.

Get a borescope down there and check out the condition of the liners.

Replacing rings isn't too bad of a job and can be done with the engine still in the car.

The thing is, for these engines, a torque wrench isn't accurate enough and you'll need to use a decent set of vernier calipers or micrometer to measure before you undo the big end caps and after you tighten them up.
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Is that why they tend to go bang afterwards?

Honda mentions merely honing the bores & replacing pistons/rings, but no-one seems to do it. Or do it properly.
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What year is the car out of interest?
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
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it's probably worn bores.
The thing is, for these engines, a torque wrench isn't accurate enough and you'll need to use a decent set of vernier calipers or micrometer to measure before you undo the big end caps and after you tighten them up.
thats just crazy but in a good way
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Originally Posted by Ultra_Nexus
It'll more likely be worn rings as the FRM is a LOT harder than the ring material for this very purpose.

Get a borescope down there and check out the condition of the liners.

Replacing rings isn't too bad of a job and can be done with the engine still in the car.

The thing is, for these engines, a torque wrench isn't accurate enough and you'll need to use a decent set of vernier calipers or micrometer to measure before you undo the big end caps and after you tighten them up.
Honda guide has an initial torque then + 60 degrees which should mitigate the inaccuracy of a "torque only" setting to give enough stretch. Good to know it can be done with the engine in though. And FWIW I'd use a stretch gauge too but at this price http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motors...-stretch-gauge I think I'd try and borrow one
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Originally Posted by BCA
What year is the car out of interest?
Look in the user profile.
Old 08-11-2014, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Graves
Is that why they tend to go bang afterwards?

Honda mentions merely honing the bores & replacing pistons/rings, but no-one seems to do it. Or do it properly.
I'm convinced of it. I have seen a number of VTEC engines that have been rebuilt using a myriad of advanced techniques and then they all seem to go bye bye.

I also know that crate duratec engines with ITBs and 4-1 manifold make 200bhp. Simply taking them apart and rebuilding them people lose between 10-15bhp.

These engines are built using tools that cost tens of thousands of pounds each and they are built in temperature controlled environments to ensure consistency.

The window of accuracy you have is tiny - much smaller than an arbitrary torque number that Honda have just bunged in to satisfy regs.

Still, if you measure the endcaps before you remove, you then have a tasty datum for reassembly and don't need £1000 torque wrenches
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Seems this guy might agree with you:

Measuring your measuring g(u)age
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Think it's this measurement http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles..._stretch_tool/

... journal clearances is a whole other kettle of worms
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Year of the car is 2002
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