Alignment and Tyre help!
#12
Registered User
I wrote a long reply with all the whys of why I would recommend the following settings, but tapatalk threw a hissy fit and ditched it...gggrrrr.
Anyway, I'd go for the following, which offers a conservative, but solid setup that affords plenty of grip, feel, and potential for 'fun' if you so desire.
Front toe: bang on zero
Front camber: 0 degs 45 mins
Caster: 6 degs
Rear toe: 0 degs 20 mins
Rear camber: 1 deg 45 mins
Anyway, I'd go for the following, which offers a conservative, but solid setup that affords plenty of grip, feel, and potential for 'fun' if you so desire.
Front toe: bang on zero
Front camber: 0 degs 45 mins
Caster: 6 degs
Rear toe: 0 degs 20 mins
Rear camber: 1 deg 45 mins
#13
You may have already found it but the geometry is in the car handbook which hopefully you will have. The data given is consistent with what's mentioned by WIM except for the camber as you have already suggested. WIM give a target of -55' +/-10' but the car's handbook says -30' +/-10'. Your front left was therefore within spec but your right was a long way off (+13'). Camber differences in my very limited experience will make the car pull one way - in your case it would be to the right. Did you have this issue ?
#14
I wrote a long reply with all the whys of why I would recommend the following settings, but tapatalk threw a hissy fit and ditched it...gggrrrr.
Anyway, I'd go for the following, which offers a conservative, but solid setup that affords plenty of grip, feel, and potential for 'fun' if you so desire.
Front toe: bang on zero
Front camber: 0 degs 45 mins
Caster: 6 degs
Rear toe: 0 degs 20 mins
Rear camber: 1 deg 45 mins
Anyway, I'd go for the following, which offers a conservative, but solid setup that affords plenty of grip, feel, and potential for 'fun' if you so desire.
Front toe: bang on zero
Front camber: 0 degs 45 mins
Caster: 6 degs
Rear toe: 0 degs 20 mins
Rear camber: 1 deg 45 mins
So looking at the alignment you've given this is pretty much standard apart from 25' more camber front and rear.
Since I'm looking for maximum steering feedback and fun im not really sure why you've suggested more camber?
I know that the camber will give me more overall grip but surely it will also rob some of that steering feel? What I liked before (whatever settings I had?) was that the car was engaging to drive even at legal road speeds, this was mainly due to the steering feel and response I had. One other thing Id like to achieve from the rear is a bit more progressiveness. At the moment it feels quite twitchy, especially in the wet and hard acceleration in second through a a bend especially when bumpy and the back will lurch about too much and step out quickly without any progression. To me it feels like the its a bit of a symptom of having super grippy 245 section tyres, I wonder if with 225s on the rear it'd be more progressive? I may try narrower rear tyres when these ones are shot.
#15
UK Moderator
Thanks for your suggestion, so annoying about tap-talk. I haven't used it but read lots of bad things about it.
So looking at the alignment you've given this is pretty much standard apart from 25' more camber front and rear.
Since I'm looking for maximum steering feedback and fun im not really sure why you've suggested more camber?
I know that the camber will give me more overall grip but surely it will also rob some of that steering feel? What I liked before (whatever settings I had?) was that the car was engaging to drive even at legal road speeds, this was mainly due to the steering feel and response I had. One other thing Id like to achieve from the rear is a bit more progressiveness. At the moment it feels quite twitchy, especially in the wet and hard acceleration in second through a a bend especially when bumpy and the back will lurch about too much and step out quickly without any progression. To me it feels like the its a bit of a symptom of having super grippy 245 section tyres, I wonder if with 225s on the rear it'd be more progressive? I may try narrower rear tyres when these ones are shot.
So looking at the alignment you've given this is pretty much standard apart from 25' more camber front and rear.
Since I'm looking for maximum steering feedback and fun im not really sure why you've suggested more camber?
I know that the camber will give me more overall grip but surely it will also rob some of that steering feel? What I liked before (whatever settings I had?) was that the car was engaging to drive even at legal road speeds, this was mainly due to the steering feel and response I had. One other thing Id like to achieve from the rear is a bit more progressiveness. At the moment it feels quite twitchy, especially in the wet and hard acceleration in second through a a bend especially when bumpy and the back will lurch about too much and step out quickly without any progression. To me it feels like the its a bit of a symptom of having super grippy 245 section tyres, I wonder if with 225s on the rear it'd be more progressive? I may try narrower rear tyres when these ones are shot.
These cars have a reputation for being twitchy in the wet, especially in second gear, so it's generally not recommended. However, less rear toe will make it more progressive, although you don't have much at the moment, perhaps a bit more will give you a bit more stability?
These cars are more a case of grip, grip, grip...are you sure?...grip...hedge. They aren't really meant for heroic power slides, certainly amongst average drivers (which you may or may not be).
Better drivers than me recommend a rear lower brace to help with the feel of the rear. There are lots of threads on that subject, so take a look around.
#16
All this will be a moot point, as you'll be going backwards though a hedge in the near future if you are accelerating through corners in 2nd in the wet over bumps
The trouble here is that you've changed two things at the same time and I suspect it's the RE002s that are contributing to the different feel too
The trouble here is that you've changed two things at the same time and I suspect it's the RE002s that are contributing to the different feel too
#18
Originally Posted by rexer200' timestamp='1412654420' post='23359303
Thanks for your suggestion, so annoying about tap-talk. I haven't used it but read lots of bad things about it.
So looking at the alignment you've given this is pretty much standard apart from 25' more camber front and rear.
Since I'm looking for maximum steering feedback and fun im not really sure why you've suggested more camber?
I know that the camber will give me more overall grip but surely it will also rob some of that steering feel? What I liked before (whatever settings I had?) was that the car was engaging to drive even at legal road speeds, this was mainly due to the steering feel and response I had. One other thing Id like to achieve from the rear is a bit more progressiveness. At the moment it feels quite twitchy, especially in the wet and hard acceleration in second through a a bend especially when bumpy and the back will lurch about too much and step out quickly without any progression. To me it feels like the its a bit of a symptom of having super grippy 245 section tyres, I wonder if with 225s on the rear it'd be more progressive? I may try narrower rear tyres when these ones are shot.
These cars have a reputation for being twitchy in the wet, especially in second gear, so it's generally not recommended. However, less rear toe will make it more progressive, although you don't have much at the moment, perhaps a bit more will give you a bit more stability?
These cars are more a case of grip, grip, grip...are you sure?...grip...hedge. They aren't really meant for heroic power slides, certainly amongst average drivers (which you may or may not be).
Better drivers than me recommend a rear lower brace to help with the feel of the rear. There are lots of threads on that subject, so take a look around.
Having said that the S2000 is my 'fun' road car, not my track car. I want it to be as entertaining and fun as possible without having to drive above the legal speed limit. I'm much more interested in feel, feedback and balance than I am in grip and speed. In the past I've owned loads of cars which have been a mixture of front and mid engine rear wheel drive and front wheel and four wheel drive all with a bias on handling. Lots of my cars have been modified in terms of chassis and suspension but with the S2000 ideally I'd like to keep it as standard as possible, although I may now add a lower rear chassis brace (although there is a bar going across by the diff anyway) :-)
I'm tempted to just stick the geo at the stock settings, so that means more rear toe-in than I have at the moment, less front camber and caster and zero front toe.
#19
All this will be a moot point, as you'll be going backwards though a hedge in the near future if you are accelerating through corners in 2nd in the wet over bumps
The trouble here is that you've changed two things at the same time and I suspect it's the RE002s that are contributing to the different feel too
The trouble here is that you've changed two things at the same time and I suspect it's the RE002s that are contributing to the different feel too
Regarding the tyres, I went for tyres that I thought would have stiff sidewalls, hence the RE002 choice however even with these pumped to 36psi there looks like more tyre deflection when parked than I could see with the standard RE050 MZ's. I guess Honda specified that tyre with a super stiff sidewall to help with the response and feedback.
#20