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10-30-2008 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dereklsept,Oct 30 2008, 12:24 PM
sorry, i dont want those chips to land in my backyard...if we pull out now...iraq will just crumble and become wonderful breeding ground for terrorist...in an area where they can be more well funded than anything afghanistan could ever produce...so you go ahead and say that...but frankly i want my kids to have a decent life
Either bomb the whole area or leave but this occupying a space crap don't work. You don't know who to shoot, so you shoot everyone and then you go to trial for killing innocents. I by no means feel that war is always the answer, but if you are going to be there.......then do what war does, not this dancing act.
as for a decent life, we need to get this crap over hear fixed first, god forbid anything else happen on american soil, but if it does the chances of it directly affecting you i hope are slim to none.
10-30-2008 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dereklsept,Oct 30 2008, 03:14 PM
not to mention...the genocide that had occurred to the iraqi people for years that has stopped due to the elmination of Saddam....many of the iraqi people appreciate our presence there, unfortunately our biased media fails to mention that alot
the only reason it isnt black and white is because our media refuses to report it as such
10-30-2008 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSigma,Oct 30 2008, 12:41 PM
They are already a breeding ground for terrorist before we got there, I thought thats why we are there now. Besides the world is a hot bed for terrorist, we would have to go everywhere to stop them all. besides if we stop all the activity in Iraq the terrorist will just walk 75ft to Iran and train there.
Either bomb the whole area or leave but this occupying a space crap don't work. You don't know who to shoot, so you shoot everyone and then you go to trial for killing innocents. I by no means feel that war is always the answer, but if you are going to be there.......then do what war does, not this dancing act.
as for a decent life, we need to get this crap over hear fixed first, god forbid anything else happen on american soil, but if it does the chances of it directly affecting you i hope are slim to none.
Either bomb the whole area or leave but this occupying a space crap don't work. You don't know who to shoot, so you shoot everyone and then you go to trial for killing innocents. I by no means feel that war is always the answer, but if you are going to be there.......then do what war does, not this dancing act.
as for a decent life, we need to get this crap over hear fixed first, god forbid anything else happen on american soil, but if it does the chances of it directly affecting you i hope are slim to none.
10-30-2008 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RBC3,Oct 30 2008, 03:38 PM
I'm only gonna say a little here, but I saw photos of the mass graves in Iraq where Saddam gased the Kurds. We (The American Military and Public) promised them that we would help if they stood up against Saddam. They did, and paid the ultimate sacrafice for it, since Clinton did not back those promises. My buddy, who took the pictures, was a forward observer who found this. He has told me how much that haunts him. He even had the towns name tattoed on his forearm to remember. To say there is no good vs. evil is incorrect IMHO. The things those people were put through was horrible. They needed to be liberated. I'm not saying the plan was great or the timing, but the general principal should have not been WMD's, but saving the people we left behind the first time.
WE created the monster that was Saddam - WE let those Kurds down
WE = Uncle Sam.
Clinton? Why didn't the 1st Bush finish the job & invade Iraq back in the 90's?
10-30-2008 | 01:49 PM
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I blame the 1st Bush also! We should have finished the job and didn't.
Clinton grinds me some though, as he declined the request for AC-130 support during the Somila incident! We build this strong support vehicle, and then keep it grounded.
Clinton grinds me some though, as he declined the request for AC-130 support during the Somila incident! We build this strong support vehicle, and then keep it grounded.
10-30-2008 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dereklsept,Oct 30 2008, 12:34 PM
world war two unfortunately is not much of any difference...there was alot of profiteering from that as well...we went into war due to retaliation...and it all started from a country invading another one to take over...the realization of the concentration camps and Hitler's true evils weren't even realized til almost the end of the war...so we cant say that was our excuse there either...we just needed to get back at someone for killing 3000 or so people
we should be in Afghanistan searching for Bin laden, not Iraq. Bush said the man tried to kill my daddy, there were 3 semi trucks full of American money that went missing, theres probably your 800 billion bailout package there.
10-30-2008 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Vadster,Oct 30 2008, 12:46 PM
& what you just posted proves my point 100% - there is no good vs. evil here.
WE created the monster that was Saddam - WE let those Kurds down
WE = Uncle Sam.
Clinton? Why didn't the 1st Bush finish the job & invade Iraq back in the 90's?
WE created the monster that was Saddam - WE let those Kurds down
WE = Uncle Sam.
Clinton? Why didn't the 1st Bush finish the job & invade Iraq back in the 90's?
10-30-2008 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSigma,Oct 30 2008, 12:50 PM
we should be in Afghanistan searching for Bin laden, not Iraq. Bush said the man tried to kill my daddy, there were 3 semi trucks full of American money that went missing, theres probably your 800 billion bailout package there.