Question About PRM Intake
04-30-2004, 03:00 AM
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None of you peeps know much about the PRM (who don't own it). I take
the raps against it personally because I helped Gerry bring it to the US (since I
was the first person in the 'states to own it) and have modified it several times
over. I know what works and what doesn't. The first filters that made their way
down here from Canada were K&N copies and were not the best quality (Gerry
admits that) and soon, switched brands. As for the Comptech being a better
intake than the PRM, it is marginally so because it doesn't WRAP the filter
in a casing like the PRM and BMC Racing intake. From a stop, more air gets
to the filter because it is getting air from more than one direction. The PRM
gets air from the horn section and nowhere else. Without cooler air flowing into that
horn, the only air available when pulling from a stop is engine bay air. This is
the SAME air that flows into the Comptech intake from a stop or slow roll.
They are getting cooler air from the same direction though I will give the Comptech
a slightly higher grade because it's opening faces at a more direct angle to air
flow from the front of the grille. The PRM only gets air from the wheel well
so by having it, you would most definitely want to remove the faux brake duct
from the passenger side.
At speed (and let's face it, most intakes, if not all, suck from a stop) the PRM is
as good as anything out there but only if there has been some attempt to create a
flow path of air from the front of the car, leading up to the horn section but not
directly INTO the horn (which negates the venturi effect from the horn itself if
you bypass it).
You will be hardpressed to find a better intake tone than the PRM. The Comptech
is close but has a tendency to buzz from air bouncing around the box. This is one
of the reasons Honda designed baffles inside their own air box.
The misinformation about the PRM is based on nothing but conjecture. I owned
and modified the intake for a year and while mine wasn't custom painted (they
are the best looking intakes save for the carbon fiber offerings when painted), I
spent countless hours working on improving the design and some of those elements
went directly back to Gerry at PRM, who credits me (and all of those PRM
threads I started 1 1/2 years ago) for the success the intake enjoys both here
and abroad. Until I decided to go with it, only a few Canadian S2000 owners
and a TON of Subaru owners (here in the states) had even heard of the company.
Gerry makes the intakes himself out of his own shop. It's a very small operation.
In most cases when it comes to modifications you get what you pay for but
with intakes, that's not necessarilly true. The $1200 Mugen intake, while
gorgeous, is no more effective at bringing in cooler air than the stock intake
with a Spoon or similiar snorkle. The difference between all of these intakes
is no more than 3-4hp AT wide open throttle. It sounds to me like you are
unhappy with the AEM right now and it's not a filter issue. A new filter
will sit in the same place as the old one.
Buy the PRM, you won't be disappointed and you'll definitely sleep better
at night (or drive in the rain without sweating bullets).
For me, I haven't had any problems with my V2 and I've driven it in the rain
often. However, I've got a fair amount of duct tape plugging just about every
hole in which rain could drip down on it as well. Do that, and unless you're
driving through standing water, you should be fine.
As for the PRM haters, fellas...it's time to back up your claims of power
loss with facts, otherwise, your thumbs down comments should fall on deaf
ears. It's one thing to not like the way it LOOKS but the principle of air
delivery is solid.
Down here in Miami, ALL intakes will suffer from heat soak, my V2 does
as well, even with the filter tucked way down below. Afterall, on a 95-degree
day, look ahead down the road and tell me you won't see heat rising from the
road surface. Track temp (or road temp) in this case, is ALWAYS hotter
than ambient temps.
One more thing, this nonsense about the intake pipe "heating" the air is
simply a non-educated (with regards to intake theory) bunch of mung. If
you wave your finger across a candle flame, does it get "heated?" NO.
If you hold it over the flame, it will. At speed, air passes through that intake pipe
at such a rate of delivery, it's entry point temp at the horn section is
the same as the temp leaving the pipe leading to the MAP. It simply does not
stay inside that tube long enough to be heated. HOWEVER, while at idle
HOT air IS entering the intake tract but it's not HEATED as a result of
the pipe itself, it's hot air from the engine bay. When the car starts to pull,
it's drawing cooler air from the wheel well. This is why some folks assume
an intake tract HEATS air, because they experience heat soak from a stop.
The single best modification you can do to your car with regards to preventing
heat soak is getting the Hondata gasket installed. Until then, ALL intakes will
bog, even the stock one, when sucking in engine air from a stop or slow roll.
Mugen did not design their intake for speeds below 15 mph. The PRM is no
different.
the raps against it personally because I helped Gerry bring it to the US (since I
was the first person in the 'states to own it) and have modified it several times
over. I know what works and what doesn't. The first filters that made their way
down here from Canada were K&N copies and were not the best quality (Gerry
admits that) and soon, switched brands. As for the Comptech being a better
intake than the PRM, it is marginally so because it doesn't WRAP the filter
in a casing like the PRM and BMC Racing intake. From a stop, more air gets
to the filter because it is getting air from more than one direction. The PRM
gets air from the horn section and nowhere else. Without cooler air flowing into that
horn, the only air available when pulling from a stop is engine bay air. This is
the SAME air that flows into the Comptech intake from a stop or slow roll.
They are getting cooler air from the same direction though I will give the Comptech
a slightly higher grade because it's opening faces at a more direct angle to air
flow from the front of the grille. The PRM only gets air from the wheel well
so by having it, you would most definitely want to remove the faux brake duct
from the passenger side.
At speed (and let's face it, most intakes, if not all, suck from a stop) the PRM is
as good as anything out there but only if there has been some attempt to create a
flow path of air from the front of the car, leading up to the horn section but not
directly INTO the horn (which negates the venturi effect from the horn itself if
you bypass it).
You will be hardpressed to find a better intake tone than the PRM. The Comptech
is close but has a tendency to buzz from air bouncing around the box. This is one
of the reasons Honda designed baffles inside their own air box.
The misinformation about the PRM is based on nothing but conjecture. I owned
and modified the intake for a year and while mine wasn't custom painted (they
are the best looking intakes save for the carbon fiber offerings when painted), I
spent countless hours working on improving the design and some of those elements
went directly back to Gerry at PRM, who credits me (and all of those PRM
threads I started 1 1/2 years ago) for the success the intake enjoys both here
and abroad. Until I decided to go with it, only a few Canadian S2000 owners
and a TON of Subaru owners (here in the states) had even heard of the company.
Gerry makes the intakes himself out of his own shop. It's a very small operation.
In most cases when it comes to modifications you get what you pay for but
with intakes, that's not necessarilly true. The $1200 Mugen intake, while
gorgeous, is no more effective at bringing in cooler air than the stock intake
with a Spoon or similiar snorkle. The difference between all of these intakes
is no more than 3-4hp AT wide open throttle. It sounds to me like you are
unhappy with the AEM right now and it's not a filter issue. A new filter
will sit in the same place as the old one.
Buy the PRM, you won't be disappointed and you'll definitely sleep better
at night (or drive in the rain without sweating bullets).
For me, I haven't had any problems with my V2 and I've driven it in the rain
often. However, I've got a fair amount of duct tape plugging just about every
hole in which rain could drip down on it as well. Do that, and unless you're
driving through standing water, you should be fine.
As for the PRM haters, fellas...it's time to back up your claims of power
loss with facts, otherwise, your thumbs down comments should fall on deaf
ears. It's one thing to not like the way it LOOKS but the principle of air
delivery is solid.
Down here in Miami, ALL intakes will suffer from heat soak, my V2 does
as well, even with the filter tucked way down below. Afterall, on a 95-degree
day, look ahead down the road and tell me you won't see heat rising from the
road surface. Track temp (or road temp) in this case, is ALWAYS hotter
than ambient temps.
One more thing, this nonsense about the intake pipe "heating" the air is
simply a non-educated (with regards to intake theory) bunch of mung. If
you wave your finger across a candle flame, does it get "heated?" NO.
If you hold it over the flame, it will. At speed, air passes through that intake pipe
at such a rate of delivery, it's entry point temp at the horn section is
the same as the temp leaving the pipe leading to the MAP. It simply does not
stay inside that tube long enough to be heated. HOWEVER, while at idle
HOT air IS entering the intake tract but it's not HEATED as a result of
the pipe itself, it's hot air from the engine bay. When the car starts to pull,
it's drawing cooler air from the wheel well. This is why some folks assume
an intake tract HEATS air, because they experience heat soak from a stop.
The single best modification you can do to your car with regards to preventing
heat soak is getting the Hondata gasket installed. Until then, ALL intakes will
bog, even the stock one, when sucking in engine air from a stop or slow roll.
Mugen did not design their intake for speeds below 15 mph. The PRM is no
different.
04-30-2004, 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by Fyrestrike
I merely stated what I know about this intake. I've seen in person how this intake bogs the shit out of the car in traffic, I've seen where it gets air from, and I've seen the size and quality of the filter used, because of that I would never reccomend it to anyone.
I merely stated what I know about this intake. I've seen in person how this intake bogs the shit out of the car in traffic, I've seen where it gets air from, and I've seen the size and quality of the filter used, because of that I would never reccomend it to anyone.
Quite frankly, I give my opinions because I want to, not because I have to keep their standard of credibility. If you don't like my OPINION, I don't give a flying fvck.
[/QUOTE]as i said b4, I value your opinion however, this particular one was off base. Regardless, if your going to "have an opinion" and post them on a public thread, your going to get a response because " I want to"
