Help With Swirl marks
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Originally Posted by s2krazy01,Oct 30 2006, 09:12 AM
last question: if I have the SFX pads would I use yellow or white for the SFX-2? i've heard the SFX are more abrasive than the DAS pads, so what would be equivalent to the green DAS Anime uses in his post?
sorry to answer my own question but i meandered over to autopia and it seems the white pad would be the one to use. i wish i had been more of an active member on W&W before I bought my pads because I just assumed more expensive = better and got the SFX pads. now it seems everyone is using the DAS. any particular reason why?
sorry to answer my own question but i meandered over to autopia and it seems the white pad would be the one to use. i wish i had been more of an active member on W&W before I bought my pads because I just assumed more expensive = better and got the SFX pads. now it seems everyone is using the DAS. any particular reason why?
I feel like many products out there have needlessly complex products and/or processes, which wind up causing you to buying a ton of stuff. It seems to me in those cases it's more of a marketing scheme than a true requirement necessary to get the desired result. I know people "rag' on Griots products as being to expensive but they are designed pretty simple and straight forward...one pad for polish and one pad for wax application. Typically the more dense or harder pad is used for polishing and a relatively soft pad will be used to apply your wax. Seems to me that the polish should be doing the work, not the pad. If the pad causes swirls, I'm gonna avoid using that type of pad.
Just more food for thought.
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so I polished my car for the first time today(well the hood and trunk anyway), with SFX-2/3. As I was told, the process removed 90% of the swirl marks. I plan to finish everything (syn and carnuba wax included) tomorrow, but would like to know if using the polishes again will remove another 90% of the swirls or do I need to order SFX-1 for the remaining culprits. FYI: I used the white pad with the SFX-2. Would using the yellow pad make a difference?
I am actually quite pleased with the performance of the products. this is the first time I used a real compound on my car. It was dark by the time I was finished, but in fluorescent light I can definitely tell the difference between the quality of the hood compared to the fenders (not polished yet). i followed mikeyc's pattern of side-to-side, diagonal, and back-and-forth (with PC), until the residue was completely gone. Can't wait to see it in the sun!
I am actually quite pleased with the performance of the products. this is the first time I used a real compound on my car. It was dark by the time I was finished, but in fluorescent light I can definitely tell the difference between the quality of the hood compared to the fenders (not polished yet). i followed mikeyc's pattern of side-to-side, diagonal, and back-and-forth (with PC), until the residue was completely gone. Can't wait to see it in the sun!
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Check it with a flashlight in the dark. It'll show any remaining swirls. Repolish until you find no swirls this way. Depending on how aggresive the polish was you used to get to this point you can try another round going with less aggresive polish and test with the flashlight again. This way it'll be perfect when you roll it out....
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After seeing the new finish in the sun I am satisfied with the results...for the time being. There are a few lingering hairline scratches here an there, and the fenders and nose show a very light swirl pattern, but these things are only noticeable up close and at a certain angle, even in direct light.
While finishing the polishing today, I switched my pad/polish combo to the yellow pad with SFX-2. I don't know why but the hood, which was polished using the white pad, looks a litter clearer than the fenders and nose, using the yellow pad. however, the difference is still amazing.
I can now look at my car without seeing infinite rings around a point of light. I decided this will be good enough for the winter, so I protected the finish with a generous layer of NXT. tomorrow I will top it with carnuba. I am no longer embarrassed to park under fluorescent street lights!
Yet another question: I've read that synthetic waxes don't have much filling capacity, and that they even accentuate scratches. Will carnuba on top of synthetic help to fill those scratches? Or is it too late to worry about that now.
While finishing the polishing today, I switched my pad/polish combo to the yellow pad with SFX-2. I don't know why but the hood, which was polished using the white pad, looks a litter clearer than the fenders and nose, using the yellow pad. however, the difference is still amazing.
I can now look at my car without seeing infinite rings around a point of light. I decided this will be good enough for the winter, so I protected the finish with a generous layer of NXT. tomorrow I will top it with carnuba. I am no longer embarrassed to park under fluorescent street lights!
Yet another question: I've read that synthetic waxes don't have much filling capacity, and that they even accentuate scratches. Will carnuba on top of synthetic help to fill those scratches? Or is it too late to worry about that now.
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It varies from wax to wax. Some have fillers and others don't. You can also run into situations where the two are compatible and tend to smear because of certain additives.
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Originally Posted by s2krazy01,Nov 6 2006, 12:30 AM
While finishing the polishing today, I switched my pad/polish combo to the yellow pad with SFX-2. I don't know why but the hood, which was polished using the white pad, looks a litter clearer than the fenders and nose, using the yellow pad. however, the difference is still amazing.
Originally Posted by kctheflish, Nov 6 2006, 04:56 AM
It varies from wax to wax. Some have fillers and others don't.
Anyway, if you want to top with a wax unless you used a synthetic with a curing agent you should allow the synthetic to cure for 12 hours before topping with a wax.
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Originally Posted by MikeyC,Nov 6 2006, 09:34 AM
Anyway, if you want to top with a wax unless you used a synthetic with a curing agent you should allow the synthetic to cure for 12 hours before topping with a wax.
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I doubt that your detailing spray would remove any sealant however I'll defer to MikeyC on this process as I don't mix sealants and carnuba. IMO I find it tends to cause problems such as minor hazing or a loss of clarity when the two are mixed. But I'm picky as hell about my finish and black show every flaw like mad.
It sounds like you're close to removing all your swirls so I'd follow MikeyC's advice and use your finishing polish to remove the rest of your swirls and then seal everything up with wax or sealant.
It sounds like you're close to removing all your swirls so I'd follow MikeyC's advice and use your finishing polish to remove the rest of your swirls and then seal everything up with wax or sealant.
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Originally Posted by s2krazy01,Nov 6 2006, 08:15 PM
I have yet to apply the carnuba, but I did use detailing spray to perfect the finish immediately after the NXT. Did this remove any sealant? The NXT was thoroughly hazed before I removed it from the paint.