Art clay the same as automotive clay?
08-28-2005, 01:53 PM
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Art clay the same as automotive clay?
Sorry but the search function of this site has gone to the shitters so I couldnt get anything.
Anyways somebody on my local forum said these were the same.. Is that true? I rather spend 3 bucks on a large chunk rather than spending 3 bux for a bite size peice.
Anyways somebody on my local forum said these were the same.. Is that true? I rather spend 3 bucks on a large chunk rather than spending 3 bux for a bite size peice.
08-28-2005, 02:22 PM
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not necessarily-
and imo its not worth taking a chance anyway...
save a few $$ and use art clay and then find out that it is a clay that contains sand- you can guess the result of that mistake!
i guess if you can find an art clay that you know the ingredients it might be similar to detailers clay-
detailers clay is usually made specifically for the job-
if you read the process that is used to make detailers clay that might help.
i know i read something very recently on this and will try to find it for you.
i have had to answer too many "i swirled (or scratched) my car with clay- how do i fix it" questions, so i am a bit more cautious than some others might be.
again, i know that for me spending a few extra bucks on a product that is specifically made for the job is worth it- but it is a personal decision.
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found that article for you:
http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=61
and imo its not worth taking a chance anyway...
save a few $$ and use art clay and then find out that it is a clay that contains sand- you can guess the result of that mistake!
i guess if you can find an art clay that you know the ingredients it might be similar to detailers clay-
detailers clay is usually made specifically for the job-
if you read the process that is used to make detailers clay that might help.
i know i read something very recently on this and will try to find it for you.
i have had to answer too many "i swirled (or scratched) my car with clay- how do i fix it" questions, so i am a bit more cautious than some others might be.
again, i know that for me spending a few extra bucks on a product that is specifically made for the job is worth it- but it is a personal decision.
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found that article for you:
http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=61
09-18-2005, 06:01 PM
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On a lark, i was searching the us patent office for the patents used by claymagic clay bar. It's made from mixing 100 parts petroleum resin ( polybutene ), 65 parts of fine silica sand and calcium carbonate of 20,30 .mu in diameter and 5 parts of powder synthetic detergent composed of grains 500mu in diameter.
So I did some additional searching and found the OilClay FAQ for artists. They have a recipie for OilClay from an artist from brazil
I'm assuming that store bought modeling clay has a similar formulation. If that assumption is true, then the only real difference between ClayMagic and Modeling Clay is the powdered soap. It may also be that the detailing clay is more stringent on the size of the clay grains.
Maybe some enterprising S2ki'er would want to mix up their own clay formula and share with us?
ps. Check out the patent
here if you're really interested.
So I did some additional searching and found the OilClay FAQ for artists. They have a recipie for OilClay from an artist from brazil
480 g bee wax
200 ml purified mineral oil
192 g petroleum jelly
1200 g talc (white)
In an electric pan ( 60 C ) mix beeswax
+ mineral oil + petroleum jelly. Before
they become entirely liquid, mix in the talc.
When mixing in dry ingredients such as clay powder and talc, make sure to wear a dust mask, and make sure you have adequate ventilation, preferably an exhaust hood over the melting pot.
200 ml purified mineral oil
192 g petroleum jelly
1200 g talc (white)
In an electric pan ( 60 C ) mix beeswax
+ mineral oil + petroleum jelly. Before
they become entirely liquid, mix in the talc.
When mixing in dry ingredients such as clay powder and talc, make sure to wear a dust mask, and make sure you have adequate ventilation, preferably an exhaust hood over the melting pot.
Maybe some enterprising S2ki'er would want to mix up their own clay formula and share with us?
ps. Check out the patent
here if you're really interested.
09-18-2005, 06:32 PM
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I think it's the size of grain that's most important here. I'd guess that this is the main factor that dictates the aggressiveness of the clay, though the composition of the clay - how hard/soft, plastic/elastic it is also makes a difference. Personally, for the cost and potential damage to the finish, I'll stick with purpose-specific detailing clay... It's not expensive...
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09-19-2005, 04:55 PM
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AnimeS2k is right. I'm not ever using modeling clay on my S2000. I think it's worth a try on my beater civic though. Detailing clay is expensive compared to modeling clay, but not expensive compared to a new paint job.
I'll give it a try on my civic and let you guys know how it turns out. My poor civic is on it's last legs. It might as well take one for the team.
I'll give it a try on my civic and let you guys know how it turns out. My poor civic is on it's last legs. It might as well take one for the team.
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