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On OJ, I think part of the reason for the not guilty was the fact the jury would have been subjected to months more torment of the sentencing phase if they'd found him guilty. After Johnny C. did "If the gloves don;t fit, you must aquit" I did the same thing with my driving gloves.
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Originally Posted by ajlafleche,Jul 14 2008, 07:51 PM
On OJ, I think part of the reason for the not guilty was the fact the jury would have been subjected to months more torment of the sentencing phase if they'd found him guilty. After Johnny C. did "If the gloves don;t fit, you must aquit" I did the same thing with my driving gloves.
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Originally Posted by Legal Bill,Jul 14 2008, 02:39 PM
I'm not convinced that the death penalty costs less than life without parole, outside of those situations where the death row inmate is allowed to live for many years before the sentence is carried out. In those cases, you not only have all the expenses of the trial and appeals, but also all the expenses of maximum security housing and maintenance. If the sentance was carried out immediately after final appeal, then I think the DP would be cheaper as compared to the same criminal being maintained for life in maximum security.
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Originally Posted by raymo19,Jul 14 2008, 06:37 PM
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Isn't there something that constitutes real, pure evil? Have we not all seen it in our own lives?
These people are a real danger to the public at large and a danger to both their fellow inmates as well as the prison guards charged with keeping them incarcerated. Is there not a point at which they should be put down for the common good?
Isn't there something that constitutes real, pure evil? Have we not all seen it in our own lives?
These people are a real danger to the public at large and a danger to both their fellow inmates as well as the prison guards charged with keeping them incarcerated. Is there not a point at which they should be put down for the common good?
Like RC Ryder, I've struggled with this issue for years and have never been able to come to terms with the capricious ways various states mete out punishment. I also agree with the person who said, kill a cop and die, kill a kid and die, kill me and get a few years. There are countries who do not kill their criminals. Is there rate of crime any higher than ours???? I think not.
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Originally Posted by valentine,Jul 14 2008, 04:54 PM
I also agree with the person who said, kill a cop and die, kill a kid and die, kill me and get a few years.
Our supreme court recently ruled that a death penalty could not be imposed for the rape of a minor that did not result in death. Previously it was only rapes of adults that couldn't be punished with death. The recent ruling was perhaps a good step towards giving adults equal rights with children.
I'd also note that other sentences are just as capricious - especially now that the Federal sentencing guidelines have been thrown out. Also, an argument can be made for allowing different states to have different laws: if you object to the death penalty enough, you can at least move to a state without it, and if you really feel a lot safer with it, you can move to a state that has it.
[QUOTE]There are countries who do not kill their criminals.
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You didn't mention Canada. I believe murder rates in Canada are generally about a third of those in the United States. I believe that if we are to be a "United" country, then capital punishment laws should be more uniform throughout the United States.
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Originally Posted by valentine,Jul 14 2008, 08:54 PM
There are countries who do not kill their criminals. Is there rate of crime any higher than ours???? I think not.
There is also a disparity here in the US with non DP states. Those 12 states experience murder rates approximately half that of the DP states.
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Originally Posted by dean,Jul 14 2008, 07:30 PM
The average time spent on death row is close to twelve years, so your scenario is the rare exception not the rule. Most reputable experts on the subject agree that the death penalty is more expensive than life without parole.
I'm not saying this issue should be determined on cost, but it is clear to me that the figures lend themselves to support whatever conclusion you like.
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Originally Posted by Legal Bill,Jul 15 2008, 09:39 AM
In that study, the experts concluded that the death penalty costs more than LWOP. Well, of course it does if you don't carry out the sentence.
"Overall, first-degree murder cases in which the prosecution has filed a
notice to seek the death penalty cost more than life without parole and life
with the possibility of parole cases. Death penalty cases cost more because:
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The cost of going to trial in a death penalty case is one reason why Gary Ridgway (aka The Green River Killer) was allowed to plea bargin and avoid the death penalty. He pled guilty to 48 murders and says he has killed 71 people. But no death penalty for him.
Hard to understand why somebody else who has killed one or two people then does get the death penalty.
Hard to understand why somebody else who has killed one or two people then does get the death penalty.