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01-29-2005, 03:13 AM
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Cordy,
Certainly you can't be suggesting that we are finished in Afganistan, or even that Afganistan has really moved all that far along the way. Don't make the same mistake that Bush made. Don't declare victory before the real war begins.
I think it's premature to say how many American lives will be lost in Afganistan or even how long we will be there. I think it's premature to say that the elections in Iraq mean that they have achieved democracy or stability. The test is when and if American troops can leave and the nation can stand on it's own. Rather than bringing democracy, this election may in fact bring more American troops and less stability into the arena.
Certainly you can't be suggesting that we are finished in Afganistan, or even that Afganistan has really moved all that far along the way. Don't make the same mistake that Bush made. Don't declare victory before the real war begins.
I think it's premature to say how many American lives will be lost in Afganistan or even how long we will be there. I think it's premature to say that the elections in Iraq mean that they have achieved democracy or stability. The test is when and if American troops can leave and the nation can stand on it's own. Rather than bringing democracy, this election may in fact bring more American troops and less stability into the arena.
01-29-2005, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ralper' date='Jan 29 2005, 12:55 AM
I haven't been able to keep up with this thread today, we're busy in the office. I haven't read everything, but Chazmo mentions fear, and I agree. I think the enemy is fear. And, I think this administration is a master at using fear and scare tactics.
I've said it before, and I still believe, that this period in American history reminds me of everything I've read and heard of the McCarthy era. The only difference is the enemy is the "terrorist" instead of the communist.
I've said it before, and I still believe, that this period in American history reminds me of everything I've read and heard of the McCarthy era. The only difference is the enemy is the "terrorist" instead of the communist.
01-29-2005, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ralper' date='Jan 29 2005, 01:30 AM
"Have you no sense of decency, sir, a long last? Have you no sense of decency?"
Know what that is?
Know what that is?
01-29-2005, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by dean' date='Jan 29 2005, 08:21 AM
That's a question that was posed to Sen. Joseph McCarthy at the televised Army-McCarthy hearings, which led to McCarthy's fall from grace.
01-29-2005, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ralper' date='Jan 29 2005, 09:47 AM
Correct. Who said it and why?
01-29-2005, 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dean' date='Jan 29 2005, 09:00 AM
An attorney for the Army - Welsh(?). IIRC, the question was in response to McCarthy's suggestion that the attorney's young assistant was a Communist.
01-29-2005, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ralper' date='Jan 29 2005, 10:05 AM
Correct again. It was the beginning of the end of Mr. McCarthy. Unfortunately his tactics lived on.
On a related note, I saw a news report that Shrub used the word 'freedom' twenty seven times and the word 'liberty' fifteen times in his inaugural speech. The guy really needs some new speech writers. I wonder what Pat Buchanan is up to these days...
01-29-2005, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cordycord' date='Jan 29 2005, 02:37 AM
I think that the events in Iraq are very polarizing. As such, statements made by the government can be taken as "fear-mongering". There is no way that I can say that what anyone hears and interprets is not what they think! If you think it sounds like catering to people's fear, then it is. Simple as that.
Hmm.
01-29-2005, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by cordycord' date='Jan 28 2005, 10:08 AM
I don't care if Jeffereson said he practiced Krispy Kremism, the majority of the founding fathers had Christian backgrounds, which is evident in the government they crafted. Of course, they were mindful of the role of religion in past governments as well.
Of course, Dean definitely seems "mindful of the role of religion in past governments".
01-29-2005, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by dean' date='Jan 29 2005, 06:22 AM
On a related note, I saw a news report that Shrub used the word 'freedom' twenty seven times and the word 'liberty' fifteen times in his inaugural speech. The guy really needs some new speech writers.