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Old 03-28-2005, 03:05 PM
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[QUOTE=Morris,Mar 28 2005, 06:20 PM] Funny, I have two New Jersy returns. Did one, it was a 501
Old 03-29-2005, 05:28 PM
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Speaking of taxes...

Court Rules Telecommuter Must Pay Taxes

By MICHAEL GORMLEY
Associated Press

Tuesday, March 29, 2005 (AP) - ALBANY, N.Y.-A telecommuter who lives out of state while working by computer for a New York employer must pay New York tax on his full income, the state's highest court ruled Tuesday in a case that could have wide implications in the growing practice.

The Court of Appeals said that computer programmer Thomas Huckaby who lives in Nashville, Tenn., owed New York income tax for his full salary, not just the time he spent working at his employer's New York offices.
Huckaby paid tax on about 25 percent of his income over two years for the time he spent working in New York state. But the court upheld a state tax department ruling that all his income should be taxed. That amounts to $4,387 plus interest. However, the ruling could lead to much greater income for the state as it is applied to the growing field of telecommuting.

The U.S. Census Bureau's latest statistics show that nearly 4.2 million people worked at home in 2000, up from 3.4 million in 1990. The bureau also reported that the International Telework Association and Council found that 8.8 million people telecommuted daily in 2003, and 12.4 million in 2004 - a nearly 200 percent increase over the 2000 Census figure.

"The way the work force is evolving and that companies are evolving, you are going to see more people working for companies from different states even across the country," said Bob Smith of the International Telework Association and Council based in Silver Spring, Md.

Smith said the issue of which state gets their income tax is a growing debate.

"It can be a damper on telework," said Smith. "What's important in our country overall is to make sure laws keep up with technology developments and the needs of both the employee and the employer, because there are benefits for both."

In February, President Bush proposed several new tax changes, including one to encourage telecommuting.

"New York provides the job, New York provides the professional opportunity, and New York should be able to tax that income, even if the employee for his own convenience was working outside of New York state," said Marc Violette, spokesman for state Assistant Solicitor General Julie Mereson, who won the case.

The issue split the court, and the majority acknowledged the decision could discourage telecommuting.

"New York has the right to tax 100 percent of a nonresident employee's income derived from New York sources," according to the 4-3 decision by Court of Appeals. The court relied on a fairness rule called the "convenience of the employer" under law that says a worker's income is taxable if he chooses to live outside the state, as opposed to if he or she was transferred there.

In a strong dissent, Judge Robert Smith argued that the basis of the majority's decision that all income is taxable is "that the commissioner says it is ... The majority cites no authority at all, and offers no persuasive reason, in support of this new interpretation."

"To say a person's taxability depends on where his employer is wrong," said Huckaby's attorney, Peter Faber of New York City. "I think this is an issue of national significance."
Source: http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/632/03-29-200...1bc7276a8c.html
Old 03-29-2005, 06:48 PM
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Here's some controversy for you. Johnnie Cochran dies at the age of 67. What did you think of him?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/30/na...ochran.html?hp
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Ulrich,

Does that mean that New York can tax phone reps from India? I don't know too much about this ruling, but at first blush it seems like where you are is where you should be taxed.
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Doesn't seem to be applicable, as most (not to say all) Indian phone reps presumably are employed by an Indian outsourcing company and not directly by the US company that outsourced the function.

The ruling also does not apply, I'd think, to any freelance or self-employed people that work for out-of-state clients.
Old 03-29-2005, 07:41 PM
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I'm also not sure that any state would have much success in collecting from people residing in other countries. I doubt that the Indian phone reps could be made to pay.

The real issue here isn't whether or not this law makes any sense. It is simply another attempt by the revenue poor state to try to develop other sources of revenue.
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Of course my Indian comment was tongue in cheek...

Would you relate this to sales tax for an online purchase out of state?

OR,

For example, you live in two houses and one is in another state. Your primary residence is the one in which you spend the most time. Right? Based on that premise, the state of the primary residence is where you pay taxes.

Am I completely off base here?
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[QUOTE=cordycord,Mar 30 2005, 12:05 AM] Of course my Indian comment was tongue in cheek...

Would you relate this to sales tax for an online purchase out of state?

OR,

For example, you live in two houses and one is in another state.
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Old 03-30-2005, 09:27 AM
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So Ralper,

What you are saying is that if we had a flat tax system installed, you would still be in business.


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