Oh, I agree that we have a personal responsibility to be able to tell the difference between truth/fiction and fantasy. Unfortunately, how many people research the candidates platforms but their history as well (voting history in the case of an incumbent) before going to the polls to vote?

Quite frankly: I am not sure how to take your last comment. Please explain.

P.S. Just for fun, I went back to the tread with the "Eye Test" (the one that had the six "F"'s that was posted here a few weeks ago) just to see how people that posted that they either saw three or six "F"'s post on other treads? Interesting?

 

Should have said your last paragraph, not your last sentence.

Anyway, you said:

"If he really agrees that toppling Saddam Hussien was such a bad idea. Why did he not make his case by making a "documentary movie" about the "great leader of the people of Iraq" before the invasion."

My point about it being about methods rather than the end goal is that I don't think Moore was attempting to contend that Saddam was a great leader or even a good person. That, however, does not mean that toppling him through any means necessary is the right course.

 

Back on the media issue, I think you and I probably predominantly agree. The job of the media is reporting of events...not creation of events. Society rightly relies on the media for facts so that we can use our analytical abilities so we can decide what is important or relevant to us.

Unfortunately, in recent years the media has taken a hard shift towards what I call edutainment rather than education. Sometimes they even slip all the way into pure entertainment and become no better than a Hollywood movie "based on a true story" where the truth is the title and all the rest is make-believe.

To be fair and balanced (what can I say, Fox "News" cracks me up), this shift in the quality of the media has happened on the right and the left.

 

Sorry I dont mess with civics. If I wanted to, I turned down a 9 sec street civic for 22k. Lets talk about s2000's..

 

See we on something regarding politics! Wow!

I listened to his show once just to see what it is about! This was back during the Clinton administration's reign. Just the way that he started his show turned me off. He referred to it as a seize!

I do not understand how any one who considers themselves a good citizen and a patriot could show that kind of disrespect to the duly elected President of the United States. IMO: One does not have to respect the person that holds the office but one must respect the Office it self and therefore not undermine the person that was elected to hold that office and uphold the Constitution of our country.

I am an independent voter that thinks that the two party system sucks! I also think that that single issue voters are missing the big picture and scare me.

 

Hobby
't don't know if I'm going to run my S this year. If I do you're on. But we'll have the CIvic there for sure. With what you're claiming for hp, I'd thought you'd take the shot. We only turned a 12 flat quarter with it last year before we broke it.

Rob
Rush Limbaughs a known entity. We know where he stands and can take him with a grain of salt, I don't listen to him as a news source. The CBS folk were using their objective news integrity in a way I don't like. That's what sucked. Same with Michael Moore and those who purported slander as truth.

This is fun.


fltsfshr

 

I know your civic will be running low 11's and my S2000 either wont hook or it will break apart if it hooks. You will see it this saturday at the meet. Hopefully you arent pissed at me still,, by the way I was kidding about the Moore thing..lol

 

Brant

This isn't a new issue nor is it something that has started to happen in recent years. In 1976 the movie "Network" written by Paddy Chayefsky addressed this very issue. That is the conflict between news as news and news as entertainment. Unfortunately, as Mr. Chayefsky so well predicted, news reports the story and is good for ethics and integrity, but entertainment pays the bills and turns the profit. Paying the bills and and turning a profit wins every time. That is the kind of environment that has been created, and that is who the networks, and many of the news reporting agencies are playing to. And this is true on both sides of center.

I'm not sure if you are old enough to remember the trend in the mid 70s in local television news. The stations, especially those in major metropolitan areas, discovered that they could increase viewership, and sponsorship revenues, by becoming more friendly. Local news went from being "serious/professional" to "chatty/friendly". The victim, of course, was legitimate news reporting which was pushed aside by friendly entertainment. In the New York metropolitan area, WABC (the ABC affiliate) lead the way with it's "Eyewitness News" starring Melba Toliver among others. Watching that news was more like watching a talk show. The final nail in the coffin was hammered in by people like Geraldo Rivera and his "expose/confrontational" reporting. Rivera's concept of news was confrontation for the sake of sensationalism, and if he had to set up the circumstance for the sake of the story, so be it. His Willowbrook expose was as much created as it was real, maybe more. But the ratings skyrocketed, and integrity in news reporting went out the door.

Unfortunately, for most people, the liars are the reporters who see things differently than they do. Those reporters who share their views are thought to be "honest reporters". That is why so many people who are right of center are quick to condemn Michael Moore but refuse to look in their own backyard or acknowledge the lies coming from their side.

Matt,

It is for this reason that I am not surprised that you and I agree. There is enough nonsense coming from both sides that an honest person has to admit that both sides are guilty.

Flts,

Before you call for Michael Moore's head you ought to take a good hard look and listen to the nonsense and trash coming out of the reporters and commentators on your side of the street.

 

Flts

If Rush Limbaugh is a known entity and is taken with a grain of salt, who exactly is it that is listening to him and keeping his ratings up. You may very well be smart enough to understand what he's about, but I assure you that there are many, many people who listen and cling onto his words.

 

That was the point that I was trying to make! The media's job should be to report the news not to shape the news or change history.

Unfortunately, IMO, some people are too stupid to decipher the difference between the news and opinion.