Advice: My Next Car
01-22-2005, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by OhioRacer,Jan 22 2005, 12:09 PM
How is the quality compared to Honda and Toyota?
01-22-2005, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ralper,Jan 22 2005, 03:08 PM
Carm
We are adding a car to our fleet in April. I am going to take over Liz's 2003 TL TypeS (which by the way I love. I think it's everything a 4 door sedan should be.), I am giving Andrew my 4Runner and we are buying a new car for Liz. Our choices are narrowed down to the Civic EX (4 door) and the Acura TSX.
So far Liz seems to favor the Civic because it is smaller, lighter and more simple in general, but, it is lacking in some of the luxury features that she likes. The TSX seems like quite a car and quite a value, but it is slightly larger than the Civic and heavier. Also, it uses premium gas, and that is something that has bothered my practical wife since we've gotten the TL.
My first choice, in your position, would be the TL and my second choice would be the TSX.
Remember, this is coming from someone who tends to favor Honda and Toyota products. I personally don't like the G35 coupe, and I don't trust Nissan quality, but I have a few friends who own G35s and love them.
We are adding a car to our fleet in April. I am going to take over Liz's 2003 TL TypeS (which by the way I love. I think it's everything a 4 door sedan should be.), I am giving Andrew my 4Runner and we are buying a new car for Liz. Our choices are narrowed down to the Civic EX (4 door) and the Acura TSX.
So far Liz seems to favor the Civic because it is smaller, lighter and more simple in general, but, it is lacking in some of the luxury features that she likes. The TSX seems like quite a car and quite a value, but it is slightly larger than the Civic and heavier. Also, it uses premium gas, and that is something that has bothered my practical wife since we've gotten the TL.
My first choice, in your position, would be the TL and my second choice would be the TSX.
Remember, this is coming from someone who tends to favor Honda and Toyota products. I personally don't like the G35 coupe, and I don't trust Nissan quality, but I have a few friends who own G35s and love them.
I like the TL but it is over 30k. Also, for what it's worth, our BMW X3 owners manual says to use 92 octane or higher. The boss found something she read which says that is all
used by auto manufacturers to make their cars look "premium". The onboard computer adjusts automatically to the gas being used. Perhaps a topic for another thread. (Maybe xviper will weigh in on this one.) Since then we have been using 87 octane without problems. Anyone want to comment on this? As I mentioned earlier, I want to see the next generation Civic. This was THE car for teens in the past 5+ years. Honda had a lot of catching up to do. I am anxious to see what it looks like and the performance.
01-22-2005, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by OhioRacer,Jan 22 2005, 06:01 PM
.....something she read which says that is all used by auto manufacturers to make their cars look "premium". The onboard computer adjusts automatically to the gas being used.....Since then we have been using 87 octane without problems. Anyone want to comment on this? ....
used by auto manufacturers to make their cars look "premium". The onboard computer adjusts automatically to the gas being used.....Since then we have been using 87 octane without problems. Anyone want to comment on this? ....
I suppose there is less hp generated...perhaps at an adjusted lower compression ratio? In the course of at least 10,000 miles of driving, I have not noticed any difference
01-22-2005, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by OhioRacer,Jan 22 2005, 06:01 PM
Rob,
I like the TL but it is over 30k. Also, for what it's worth, our BMW X3 owners manual says to use 92 octane or higher. The boss found something she read which says that is all used by auto manufacturers to make their cars look "premium". The onboard computer adjusts automatically to the gas being used. Perhaps a topic for another thread. (Maybe xviper will weigh in on this one.) Since then we have been using 87 octane without problems. Anyone want to comment on this? As I mentioned earlier, I want to see the next generation Civic. This was THE car for teens in the past 5+ years. Honda had a lot of catching up to do. I am anxious to see what it looks like and the performance.
I like the TL but it is over 30k. Also, for what it's worth, our BMW X3 owners manual says to use 92 octane or higher. The boss found something she read which says that is all
used by auto manufacturers to make their cars look "premium". The onboard computer adjusts automatically to the gas being used. Perhaps a topic for another thread. (Maybe xviper will weigh in on this one.) Since then we have been using 87 octane without problems. Anyone want to comment on this? As I mentioned earlier, I want to see the next generation Civic. This was THE car for teens in the past 5+ years. Honda had a lot of catching up to do. I am anxious to see what it looks like and the performance.The compression ratio doesn't change, the onboard sensor and computer retards the timing. Performance suffers.
01-22-2005, 02:52 PM
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^You also run a greater risk of detonation, especially under load. Detonation may not always be detectable, but it will always do damage to an engine. To me it's not worth the little bit of savings to run a gasoline with a lower octane than that reccomended by the mfr.
01-22-2005, 02:54 PM
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I love the RSX-S as a replacement for my '93 Prelude VTEC. I'm hoping the '06 has curtain airbags.
For the curtain airbags only, I'd take the TSX over the RSX.
You can't be unhappy with either the RSX-S or the TSX.
For the curtain airbags only, I'd take the TSX over the RSX.
You can't be unhappy with either the RSX-S or the TSX.
01-22-2005, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ralper,Jan 22 2005, 06:48 PM
Carm, Jerry,
The compression ratio doesn't change, the onboard sensor and computer retards the timing. Performance suffers.
The compression ratio doesn't change, the onboard sensor and computer retards the timing. Performance suffers.
01-22-2005, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ralper,Jan 22 2005, 12:08 PM
So far Liz seems to favor the Civic because it is smaller, lighter and more simple in general, but, it is lacking in some of the luxury features that she likes. The TSX seems like quite a car and quite a value, but it is slightly larger than the Civic and heavier.
The New Mini seems to be selling really well here in the Boston area. Every one I've seen is the upscale "S" version, so the buyers obviously have some extra money. Why aren't there more cars made for this market?
If you guys would consider moving beyond Japanese cars, you might look at a VW Jetta. I think it's about Civic size, but I think nicer in terms of features - I won't claim that it's quite at a BMW level, but my wife certainly doesn't regret passing over a BMW for it.