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Old 12-08-2005, 08:38 AM
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more so from the rear left wheel
I'm tending toward wheel bearing.

The tyres are track tires meaning that I have spare track tires on OEM wheels which I change every time I visit the track. They are TOYO T1R 245/40/16 (if I am not mistaken) whereas for my daily driving I use Potenzas S03. No noticeable tire wear pattern and I have already covered 6 000 miles on the S03 so if there was a misalignment, I guess this would have shown. On the track tires the left outer section is a lot more worn (as is also the right inner part); being it a cw track I find the wear understandable. I put the comment to show you that out of the almost 90 miles I covered 80 were made drifting the rear left wheel, so I guess the wear to this wheel was a lot more
I think this would indicate your alignment is at least OK (symmetrical side to side) and what Mike said is the case with your tire wear pattern being track related. Since you only use those tires for the track, this puts Mike's reply into context.

Last night I swapped back to the Potenzas to eliminate the possibility of road whinning because of uneven wear. This did not work, the noise is still audible at the speeds of 50 to 60 mph and then at speeds 80 to 85 miles.
A bad wheel bearing "can" have ON/OFF resonance noise and vibration, especially if the hub nut is a bit loose.

Assuming it is the bearings is it usual for them to fail? Are they expensive? Hard to replace?
The bearing itself (should consider doing both sides) shouldn't cost that much (about 50 bucks maybe), but the wheel hub must be removed and the bearing pressed out and new one pressed in. I'm guessing a couple of hours with air tools. If you're going to do an alignment, do it after this job.

I find it pretty possible that hitting on the curb with some speed and your steering wheel fully locked while spinning could cause such an offset.
This may very well be why.

Is it the same cure you are talking about?
Yes, Honda has a Technical Service Bulletin on this (it may not apply to you due to age of car and track use). They remove the nut and grease up the area and re-install the nut with more torque (from 181 to 220).

As for fragile diffs, this mainly occurs when the car is abused with repeated hot launches and very little regard given to maintenance. Yours doesn't appear to be this and I don't think your diff is the problem here. I'll let the track junkies respond more to this as well as the topic of track reliability.

ps. 10K to 15K miles for a diff fluid change is something I advise for a street driven car. If it were a track car some of the time, personally, I would change it more often.
Old 12-08-2005, 08:42 AM
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[QUOTE=HoshNasi,Dec 8 2005, 11:37 AM] I had a question about my diff that I noticed when taking tight fast turns.
Old 12-08-2005, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by VAG,Dec 8 2005, 12:45 AM
I put the comment to show you that out of the almost 90 miles I covered 80 were made drifting the rear left wheel, so I guess the wear to this wheel was a lot more

Any suggestions on the allignmnent values ?? I am using the HONDA values but I would preffer a more oversteer prone setting

Any ideas on the above...? I am really concerned I thought my S would give me many pleasing trouble free track visits but now the problems have started coming up I am giving it second thoughts Has anyone of you track lovers come across such problems or am I just unlucky?? :
Just curious why you want a more oversteer setup if you were already drifting 80 of the 90 miles on a track day. Were they drifting events instead of track days? Tons of people have turned a whole lot more track miles than you did but I haven't heard anybody drifting 90% of the time at the track and still want more. Maybe the extensive drifting causes the diff to overheat?
Old 12-09-2005, 12:21 AM
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OK maybe the 80 out of 90 miles was not accurate. What I am trying to say is that when cornering the effort was to drift the car rather than follow the optimum line and since in a track enviroment you need more speed to make the car drift such drifting took place at relatively high speeds (I guess this translates to more load being put on the dif/driving shafts/wheel bearings and especially so in the rear left one)

As for the rest I am thankfull for your attention to the matter I am at a crossroad really between wanting to continue driving the car the way I like it (including some visits to the track) and being afraid that if I continue enjoying it the results will be dear
Old 12-09-2005, 07:40 AM
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Dear VAG the circuit of Megara is not too harsh on the cars , because is pretty slippery and it doesn't require great full throttle time either . You shouldn't worry too much about tracking your car , just make inspections before and after the event . Always allow for warm up and cool down lap , change fluids more often , and if you can run lower temperature . As for your noise problems here are some thoughts I'm hoping to be of some help . Clicking sound , as othrs said re torque the halfshaft nuts at a higher torque , additionally repack the CV boots with fresh grease as these tend to be low and wear especially the inboard ones . Check rear pad rattle shims if they get loose the pad has some rotational play and produces a single click . Hissing sound , if alignment is off and you constantly correcting , the torque sensor always sends signal for the motor to work . Alignment problems ? take a look at front lower arm bushings the rears tend to fail . Also take a look at the front upper A arm brackets , it has been reported that these shear off the frame . Good luck and try Serres circuit too !
Old 12-10-2005, 03:00 AM
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Thanx pal, your info was instructive really (I would appreciate a pm with instructions in Greek as well as Honda garages that know what they are doing ) I too tend to think that a well serviced car and diff would not have dif issues after a 3-4 visits to Megara...For sure I am not going anywhere before I get the noises fixed, I do not want to subject the car to further harassment unless I am certain of the problem...
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Bearingshere in US list for $82 at the dealer, $62 over the net. I realize these prices are probably different overseas, but it is a starting point. Also, I believe one of our members here ( https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showt...bearings+gernby ) had bearing damage that lead to hub damage, so consider having it closely inspected and possibly replaced ($122 / $91).
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