Shifting issues in a 2003 S2000
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Shifting issues in a 2003 S2000
I've been having some issues with the synchros in my transmission lately. Nothing major, but it's enough that I'd like to have it fixed by Honda while I still have a warranty.
Transmission fluid was changed with the updated Honda MTF at ~39k miles. It didn't change the feel of the shifts at all.
When shifting 1-2 or 3-2, I occasionally get a nasty grind. I don't believe it's related to my shifting or clutch technique - it seems like the shifter just slides past the synchro and then grinds. I suspect this problem would be hard to reproduce for a tech, since I only get it occasionally and usually only when shifting "quick". I never shift the car fast, jam gears or powershift.
Possibly more concerning is the notchiness going into 3rd. Nearly every time I shift, you can feel a distint "kick" through the shifter before it slides into the gear. This problem would be easy to reproduce and a tech should be able to feel it within 10 2nd to 3rd gear shifts, if not sooner.
The car is covered by the HondaCare 7yr/100k mile extended warranty on the drivetrain. It expires in May 2010 and I have ~45k miles on the car. Would this sort of problem be covered by the warranty?
Any ideas? Thanks!
Transmission fluid was changed with the updated Honda MTF at ~39k miles. It didn't change the feel of the shifts at all.
When shifting 1-2 or 3-2, I occasionally get a nasty grind. I don't believe it's related to my shifting or clutch technique - it seems like the shifter just slides past the synchro and then grinds. I suspect this problem would be hard to reproduce for a tech, since I only get it occasionally and usually only when shifting "quick". I never shift the car fast, jam gears or powershift.
Possibly more concerning is the notchiness going into 3rd. Nearly every time I shift, you can feel a distint "kick" through the shifter before it slides into the gear. This problem would be easy to reproduce and a tech should be able to feel it within 10 2nd to 3rd gear shifts, if not sooner.
The car is covered by the HondaCare 7yr/100k mile extended warranty on the drivetrain. It expires in May 2010 and I have ~45k miles on the car. Would this sort of problem be covered by the warranty?
Any ideas? Thanks!
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Regarding warrantee repairs, a lot depends on the dealer. Since the problem is intermittent, it may be difficult to get it covered. The only way to truly know is to try and report the outcome to us.
Based on your warrantee expiration, are you driving a 2003? There were known issues with MY 2000 & 2001 (clutch disc and stacking tolerance problems). The AP2s have improved shift smoothness, though the clutch delay valve can cause the problem you are experienceing when shifting quickly.
Based on your warrantee expiration, are you driving a 2003? There were known issues with MY 2000 & 2001 (clutch disc and stacking tolerance problems). The AP2s have improved shift smoothness, though the clutch delay valve can cause the problem you are experienceing when shifting quickly.
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I would say $1500+ if you go with the dealer.
I know the removal/reinstall of the transmission is around a 10hr job by the book. Parts have to be at least a few hundred dollars for transmission internals, plus the labor to install them.
It's probably way cheaper to buy a good condition used transmission. Or push the dealer to warranty it under a goodwill repair.
I know the removal/reinstall of the transmission is around a 10hr job by the book. Parts have to be at least a few hundred dollars for transmission internals, plus the labor to install them.
It's probably way cheaper to buy a good condition used transmission. Or push the dealer to warranty it under a goodwill repair.
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1500+ isnt terrible i guess I was driving last night and well at 34mph (give or take a few mph) and 3k rpm i could just shift into third no need for the clutch. I figured this out when my hand resting on top slipped 3rd out.
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If you decide to go to a used trans, consider an AP2 for more aggressive gearing on the first few gears+improved synchros. As for the 3rd gear thing, I noticed it the first time I drove the car 17,000 miles ago (also a 2003). There is a slight scratch as it goes into 3rd that gives it a distinctly different feel than 1 & 2. I only notice when shifting slowly and it has never given me any problems or gotten any worse. I have read of others here who have also experienced it so I suspect it is a common characteristic of 3rd gear.
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Originally Posted by brent_strong,Oct 1 2009, 08:22 AM
I would say $1500+ if you go with the dealer.
I know the removal/reinstall of the transmission is around a 10hr job by the book. Parts have to be at least a few hundred dollars for transmission internals, plus the labor to install them.
It's probably way cheaper to buy a good condition used transmission. Or push the dealer to warranty it under a goodwill repair.
I know the removal/reinstall of the transmission is around a 10hr job by the book. Parts have to be at least a few hundred dollars for transmission internals, plus the labor to install them.
It's probably way cheaper to buy a good condition used transmission. Or push the dealer to warranty it under a goodwill repair.