Parking in gear without using the parking brake
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Originally Posted by anthonys2k,Dec 14 2004, 02:07 AM
im curious what the significance of having in reverse while downhill and 1st uphill..im used to just putting it in first after i put on the parking brake...what does putting in reverse do for the forces on the tranny/car?
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Putting it in reverse when parking downhill (and in 1st when parking uphill) causes the cylinders to hold the car due to a "vacuum" rather than the compression of gases in the cylinders. I'm not sure why a vacuum works better than compression, but I'd guess that the rings would be less inclined to a gradual leakdown.
I've learned from experience on other cars that this method works. And if I'm parked steeper than I'm comfortable with, I usually stick a pebble under a wheel. I don't have to remember to remove it, but that really makes a difference.
I've learned from experience on other cars that this method works. And if I'm parked steeper than I'm comfortable with, I usually stick a pebble under a wheel. I don't have to remember to remove it, but that really makes a difference.
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[QUOTE=slalom44,Dec 14 2004, 11:25 AM] Putting it in reverse when parking downhill (and in 1st when parking uphill) causes the cylinders to hold the car due to a "vacuum" rather than the compression of gases in the cylinders.
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Originally Posted by gernby,Dec 14 2004, 11:22 AM
That still seems backwards. The rings and valves are designed to hold compression, not vacuum. The higher the compression, the better they seal. For example, positive pressure will work WITH the valve springs to keep them closed, while vacuum will work AGAINST the valve springs to pull them open. Granted it would take a LOT of vacuum to overcome the valve springs, but they will have less of a seal.
The compression and the friction are what prevent the engine from rotating, and it doesn't take very much of it. The gearing is supposed to make the job of spinning the rear tires easy for the engine, but it can also make spinning the engine from the tires rather difficult.
In these two gears, many engine rotations are required for each wheel rotation (3.11 or thereabouts in an '04).
It's easy for the engine to get the wheel spinning at this ratio, since more work is going into each rotation of the rear wheel, but it is hard as hell to get the engine spinning from the rear wheels.
The gear with the highest ratio should be used when parking, this should be 1st gear in the S2000 (other cars may have reverse at a higher ratio).
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Originally Posted by rworne,Dec 14 2004, 01:01 PM
It has to do with the gearing. There's a reason why it has to be 1st gear (or as an alternative, reverse).
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Originally Posted by gernby,Dec 15 2004, 09:02 AM
Nobody disputed that. I just disagree with the practice of using 1st when pointing up hill, and reverse when parking down hill. That seems backwards.
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would it be okay if i use 3rd gear rather than 1st? usually i throw up the parking brake and push the gear forward to 3rd. any reason why i should use a different gear instead?
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Yes... third gear has much less a mechanical advantage over the wheels (vs first gear) and thus, the car would easily overcome the compression and roll down a hill if kept in third.
First gear, the car would stay put. Third gear, it would roll much easier.
First gear, the car would stay put. Third gear, it would roll much easier.