CMiS2K

You know something you said made me think about my buddy that got a SC at the same time I did. We installed his first. His clutch is weaker than mine and came off the production line late '02. My clutch is much stronger and came off the production line 02/02. He will need his clutch replaced very soon, on the test drive when engaging the clutch at 9K shift in to 3rd there was a delay before it grabbed and planted the gear. This was after installing the SC.

just something that made me think about weakness from the factory.

I have burnt my clutch 4 times in 23K miles of ownership. Once in the last couple of weeks which was FI clutch drop @ 6k. The other 3 times were in auto-x events. Now 2nd gear grinds are a whole other story.

tenblade2001

There is some varience from car to car. Some cars have weaker diffs, others stronger engines, etc. That's why some guys with no mods whatsoever can consistantly dyno with better numbers than some other guys with mods. Mass production is a great thing, but flaws are there. Cya later.....next time I'm in the Big-D, I'll have to look ya up and get a ride. I need to see what a car that "runs like a bull with its balls strapped down with a leather belt" feels like.

reds2

Not to fan the flames, but didn't Jackie have a UR Turbo that blew up his engine not an SC.

F1s2000

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tenblade2001

There are numerous threads from both FI and NA members that blown their engines for a numerous reasons. Saying my statement is ingorant as well assanine.Ignorance implies a lack of knowledge and I have done my homework, to my satisfaction, regarding FI. Based on that reading, and PM members with FI, I decided to stay NA. Whether or not FI causes increased chance of a blown diff is up for debate. Much like the issue of hydrolock and CAIs, you will those that believe it and those that don't. My question was a very reasonable one. So, before you go slinging like ignorant around, you should know what someone else has done to research the topic. Otherwise, you just look like a pompous ass. [/QUOT

The bottom line is FI alone does not blow engines. And you stated it did. That is an ignorant comment. Why you ask???? Simple you were generalizing.

dolebludger

Courage007:

Back to the original question, I think you can see by now that the s2k is a very hard car to "mod" for more hp. For one thing, I't already pertty highly "modded". I know a guy with a Prelude who got a catback and got 28 more hp per dyno. On the s2k, a catback will get you 8 hp. or something, as the system is already set up for power more than the Prelude. He also got more hp. out of his CAI, as there was enough room under the hood to hook it up to do some good. Doesn't seem that these "little things" can do that much for the s2k. When you go to the big thingslike TC and SC, the question arrises as to drivetrain lifespan. The s2k was designed to be light in weight, so the drivetrain is arguably not sufficiently heavy duty for this.

Just two more things. First, the s2k lists for about $33000 and the BMW M3 list for about $48,000. If you can stand the ride, handling and suspension on the M3 (I can't), it might be a better go than trying to mod an s2k beyond its design parameters. Second, M3's aren't trouble free either, especially when "modded" or driven hard.

Thanks,
Richard

CMiS2K

BMW CCA Lone Star Chapter
Summary Results, #6 - Event 6 (08-23-03) - 08-23-2003
Total Entries: 52

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Rky Car # Driver Car Model Time Diff. From 1st
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Class: 'B' Total Entries: 2
1T 140 Doug Oliver 1975 BMW 2002 100.720 - -
2 222 Jason Vail 1986 BMW 325e 102.257 -1.537 -1.537
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Class: 'C' Total Entries: 2
1T 318 Richie Shuman 1996 BMW 318i 97.043 - -
2 413 Brent Schultze 2001 BMW 325ci 101.812 -4.769 -4.769
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Class: 'D' Total Entries: 5
1T 999 Soong-Noboru Kang-Kamino 1997 BMW 328is 93.995 - -
2T 4 Bill Shuman 2003 BMW 330iPP 97.169 -3.174 -3.174
3 263 Robert Jarzabek 1997 BMW M3 99.790 -2.621 -5.795
4 56 Mike Chang 2000 BMW 328ci 100.149 -0.359 -6.154
5 6 @Speed Racer 1995 BMW 325i 100.189 -0.040 -6.194
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Class: 'E' Total Entries: 6
1T 3 @Speed Racer 2003 BMW Z4 3.0 89.264 - -
2T 82 Matthew Dashiell 1997 BMW M3/4 90.433 -1.169 -1.169
3 89 Will Atkinson 1989 BMW M3 91.234 -0.801 -1.970
4 77 Steve Nix 1998 BMW M3 Con 91.689 -0.455 -2.425
5 30 Greg Snyder 2003 Mini Cooper S 94.350 -2.661 -5.086
6 98 Chuck Atkinson 1989 BMW M3 95.336 -0.986 -6.072
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Class: 'F' Total Entries: 3
1T 91 Mark Williams 1991 BMW M3 88.913 - -
2 23 Speed Racer 1997 BMW M3/4 93.766 -4.853 -4.853
3 929 William Quiles 2002 BMW M3 SMG 95.867 -2.101 -6.954
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Class: 'G' Total Entries: 6
1T 61 Mark Yujuico 1998 BMW M3/4 85.837 - -
2T 195 Brian Hanchey 2002 BMW M Coup 87.153 -1.316 -1.316
3 93 Speed Racer 1999 BMW M3 88.261 -1.108 -2.424
4 29 Nerces Mavelian 1999 BMW M3 88.330 -0.069 -2.493
5 62 Jim Harris 1995 BMW M3 88.967 -0.637 -3.130
6 2 Keith Talbot 2001 BMW M3 95.612 -6.645 -9.775
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Class: 'X' Total Entries: 8
1T 742 Lauren Dunn 2002 Mazda Miat 94.464 - -
2T 95 Todd Marcucci 1995 Civic EX 94.592 -0.128 -0.128
3T 279 Richie Yosten 2002 Acura RSX 96.073 -1.481 -1.609
4 111 Luke Steve 2000 VW Golf 96.380 -0.307 -1.916
5 179 Jeremy Denk 1994 Mazda Miat 97.006 -0.626 -2.542
6 21 Hung Nguyen 1994 Acura Inte 97.973 -0.967 -3.509
7 174 Melinda McCall 1995 Supercharged 102.831 -4.858 -8.367
8 147 Gary Coupland 1972 VW Super B 106.633 -3.802 -12.169
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Class: 'Y' Total Entries: 20
1T 350 Corey Wells 2001 Chevrolet 85.213 - -
2T 119 Jeremy Garcia 2002 Honda S2000 (CMiS2K) 86.119 -0.906 -0.906
3T 917 Chuck Buehler 2002 Pontiac Tr 86.997 -0.878 -1.784
4T 220 Jason McCall 1995 Pontiac Fi 87.123 -0.126 -1.910
5T 231 Amy Fair 1998 Pontiac Fi 88.493 -1.370 -3.280
6T 213 Terry Fair 1998 Pontiac Fi 88.705 -0.212 -3.492
7 188 Dean Yamada 1992 Chevrolet 88.717 -0.012 -3.504
8 176 Jeremy Johnson 2003 Mitsubishi 89.111 -0.394 -3.898
9 74 Gabby Garner 2002 Subaru Imp 90.360 -1.249 -5.147
10 142 Nathan Dyck 1991 Toyota MR2 90.407 -0.047 -5.194
11 90 Brad Bedell 1991 Toyota MR2 90.556 -0.149 -5.343
12 131 Robert Jones 2001 Pontiac Fi 90.610 -0.054 -5.397
13 261 Mike Bridges 2000 Chevrolet 91.275 -0.665 -6.062
14 00 John Mischkot 2002 Mustang GT 93.699 -2.424 -8.486
15 621 J.C Krueger 1987 Mazda RX7 93.802 -0.103 -8.589
16 50 Matt White 2000 Ford Musta 94.463 -0.661 -9.250
17 417 David Trowbridge 2004 Dodge SRT4 96.276 -1.813 -11.063
18 114 Alex Bischoff 2000 Olds Alero 102.770 -6.494 -17.557
19 771 Dusty Luker 1998 Chevrolet 104.766 -1.996 -19.553
20 612 Jennifer Bauer 1987 Mazda RX7 115.767 -11.001 -30.554
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Top Time of Day: Y 350 Corey Wells 85.213
Top Pax of Day : Y 350 Corey Wells 85.213

CMiS2K

I finished 3rd over all 2nd in my class.

A good driver behind the wheel of a S can do damage.

This is what is looks like at every event. Myself, the C5 and gernby dominate at the BMW events.

On street tires, I can place in the top 10 out of a 70+ entry list.

This was a low turn out compared to events earlier this year.

tenblade2001

[QUOTE]Originally posted by F1s2000

Quote:

Originally posted by tenblade2001

There are numerous threads from both FI and NA members that blown their engines for a numerous reasons. Saying my statement is ingorant as well assanine.Ignorance implies a lack of knowledge and I have done my homework, to my satisfaction, regarding FI. Based on that reading, and PM members with FI, I decided to stay NA. Whether or not FI causes increased chance of a blown diff is up for debate. Much like the issue of hydrolock and CAIs, you will those that believe it and those that don't. My question was a very reasonable one. So, before you go slinging like ignorant around, you should know what someone else has done to research the topic. Otherwise, you just look like a pompous ass. [/QUOT

The bottom line is FI alone does not blow engines. And you stated it did. That is an ignorant comment. Why you ask???? Simple you were generalizing.

I never once said ALL FI will blow ALL engines. I made the statement that FI can be a PIA and it can tear the hell out of the engine. Both are true statments. It CAN happen but doesn't ALWAYS happen. I never said that it did. If you think that FI can not blow an engine, then you're a fool as well as an ass.

CMiS2K

FI can be a PITA on a S2000, there is no doubt.

tenblade2001

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CMiS2K
[B]I finished 3rd over all 2nd in my class.

A good driver behind the wheel of a S can do damage.