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Lousy Honda - thermostat fails at 148k

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Old 07-15-2005, 06:26 AM
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Honda says you can use their type II coolant for up to 10 years, the green stuff in the year 2000 models is good for 2. Personally I plan to change my Type II every couple years, it's cheap and easy enough to do.
Old 07-15-2005, 06:43 AM
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I have the 2002. That means I have type II coolant in my car?
Old 07-15-2005, 06:56 AM
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I believe so, it's what Honda specifies for that model year at least.
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Originally Posted by vAnt,Jul 14 2005, 04:10 PM
When should I expect my car to jump to 4 bars?

I've NEVER seen it happen ever. I'm at around 16k miles...
Seriously... I've never seen 4 bars. Even at autocrosses or track days in 90-100+ degree temperatures.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jul 14 2005, 03:50 PM
With a stock ECU, if you ever see 4 bars it probably means your engine is already ruined. What appears to be a useful gauge is really just an "oh shit" light.
Tests on my '00 car show 4 bars at about 100C (212F) so it should not necessarily be damaging. A number of people that have experimented with grills have seen four bars without any apparent damage.

I have never seen over three bars on my car except when I was experimenting (with low coolant) to find the temperature range of the bars.

The thermostat should be fully open at 90C (194F) so it would make sense there is a margin before damage occurs. If 4 bars really meant 235F (113C) there just would not be much warning. Over five bars (estimated 110C or 230C) is clearly where damage could occur.
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212 shouldn't cause any harm. My bike (now I realize it's not the same engine but it's the same basical aluminum/aluminum head/block combo idles at 220 on the streets in summer and that is normal. I wouldn't say 4 bars or 212 in the S2K will hurt it as long as it's not done on a day to day basis for hours on end. It's not ideal but doesn't seem astronomical.
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212F is the point at which straight water boils. With a 50/50 mix of water & coolent/antifreeze, the boiling point will be higher, though I don't know what that temp is.

Under pressure, as a normal cooling system is, the boiling point becomes even higher.

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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jul 14 2005, 04:50 PM
With a stock ECU, if you ever see 4 bars it probably means your engine is already ruined. What appears to be a useful gauge is really just an "oh shit" light.
I saw 4 bars several times on my MY00 in S. Florida stop and go traffic, in summer (Air temp 100+ /road surface temp much higher) it would drop to 3 bars when traffic got moving and back to 4 when it got clogged up. After the first time it happenedI borrowed a laser thermometer from work and didn't see a temp anything over 220F anywhere on the engine (While reading 4 bars) (except the exhaust manifold) so I just quit worrying about it.
Engine was still running great when I traded it on my 04.
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i thought hondas in general had "fail-safe" thermostats, meaing that it would be stuck OPEN if anything did go wrong. someone please enlighten me on this topic. thanks.
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When you guys say "coolant," are you referring to the radiator fluid?


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