Knocking on cold start?
#21
Yes, I can do retainer swaps no problem. About the only thing on this car I don't do is build differentials, I leave that up to the pro Ben Herne (aka Puddydad). I've done multiple full motor tear down and rebuilds, multiple transmission rebuilds, 20-30 head builds, 30+ retainer swaps, 50+ valve adjustments, etc. etc. haha. It's like riding a bike for me, just comes naturally.
#22
Well guys I went and talked to the previous owner and he said he'd never heard the noise I was describing which seems crazy to me that this would've just randomly started but either way what's done is done and I've got what I've got so I need to deal with it, I also uncovered the car and took videos of both inside the car and under the good on it's first cold start up. And to be honest it doesn't seem as violent as I remember but anyways here it is, tell me what you guys think, I'm pretty sure the other video and your previous identification of the sounds were spot on and if that's the case can either Billman or Jordan tell me what you would do to repair this so I can run it past my buddy and see if he'd be willing to do it?
Anyway, here it is
http://youtu.be/UcdZ3Vu1V3A
Thanks again guys
Anyway, here it is
http://youtu.be/UcdZ3Vu1V3A
Thanks again guys
#23
Moderator
Spun bearing, guaranteed. I strongly believe it is a perfect candidate for a quick fix, that is not bad at all. Keep the running to a minimum, and keep the RPMs low until its fixed.
Whoever does it must be very competent with shoelace polishing, and plastic gauge to achieve .0015.
I would have bearing halves on hand, from Honda, in the last 3 thickness color codes.
When he takes the bearing cap off, the crank is going to appear to be in good shape, believe me that is impossible. At the micro level, there are imperfections that will shred a new bearing in a week.
The crank will feel like a dirty car.
When done, it should be mirror finish and feel like a freshly compounded and waxed car. 100% perfect results can be achieved here.
There will be shavings in the oil pump pickup which can be fished out with pick and mirror, and in some cases shavings will sit on top of the oil jet bolts that will need to come out and be cleaned.
Whoever does it must be very competent with shoelace polishing, and plastic gauge to achieve .0015.
I would have bearing halves on hand, from Honda, in the last 3 thickness color codes.
When he takes the bearing cap off, the crank is going to appear to be in good shape, believe me that is impossible. At the micro level, there are imperfections that will shred a new bearing in a week.
The crank will feel like a dirty car.
When done, it should be mirror finish and feel like a freshly compounded and waxed car. 100% perfect results can be achieved here.
There will be shavings in the oil pump pickup which can be fished out with pick and mirror, and in some cases shavings will sit on top of the oil jet bolts that will need to come out and be cleaned.
#24
Spun bearing, guaranteed. I strongly believe it is a perfect candidate for a quick fix, that is not bad at all. Keep the running to a minimum, and keep the RPMs low until its fixed.
Whoever does it must be very competent with shoelace polishing, and plastic gauge to achieve .0015.
I would have bearing halves on hand, from Honda, in the last 3 thickness color codes.
When he takes the bearing cap off, the crank is going to appear to be in good shape, believe me that is impossible. At the micro level, there are imperfections that will shred a new bearing in a week.
The crank will feel like a dirty car.
When done, it should be mirror finish and feel like a freshly compounded and waxed car. 100% perfect results can be achieved here.
There will be shavings in the oil pump pickup which can be fished out with pick and mirror, and in some cases shavings will sit on top of the oil jet bolts that will need to come out and be cleaned.
Whoever does it must be very competent with shoelace polishing, and plastic gauge to achieve .0015.
I would have bearing halves on hand, from Honda, in the last 3 thickness color codes.
When he takes the bearing cap off, the crank is going to appear to be in good shape, believe me that is impossible. At the micro level, there are imperfections that will shred a new bearing in a week.
The crank will feel like a dirty car.
When done, it should be mirror finish and feel like a freshly compounded and waxed car. 100% perfect results can be achieved here.
There will be shavings in the oil pump pickup which can be fished out with pick and mirror, and in some cases shavings will sit on top of the oil jet bolts that will need to come out and be cleaned.
Also I'm wondering if there's any way that it isn't a spun bearing because all the people that heard it say it sounds like something else (I'm in no way doubting your abilities or knowledge) I'm just wondering it there's something from the video making it sound different.
So basically I'm wondering if maybe it's like a dry start noise and maybe it's from it being so cold here (about 5-15°F average since it's been making these noises) when it was slightly warmer I don't recall the noise being this loud or frightening and on of my friends was able to almost identically replicate the noise on his wife's Saturn sky (30,000 miles 4cyl timing chain)
I'm just trying to find any way that it might not be what we fear it is. Because like I said before, I really just don't have the money to fix it so it would sit for at least a couple months and that's the last thing I want to do...
Also side note: my oil was completely clean, no shimmer or little bits in it.
#25
What oil weight are you using and is it topped off? I haven't heard a spun bearing or rod knock that lasts for two seconds then goes away. It doesn't seem to be about warming up the car so much as getting the oil through the engine on initial start.
#26
#27
That's what I was thinking, and since it's been so cold I put 5-30 in it. It's what I've used in all my other Hondas(although it would seem the general consensus on this forum is 10-30???, correct me if I'm wrong)
#28
So, it turned out that the motor was incredibly damaged, main bearings were being shaved away and I'm guessing the slop created by that was causing the noise we heard. Any way on to the good bits.
I got in touch with Jordanksartell and if any one had any questions about his work, please contact me. Trust me, his prices are more than fair and his work is second to none. I was very skeptical when I sent him my first parts payment of almost $2,000, as I have been scammed before, but now I could not be happier I went the route that I took. My new motor that he hand built is perfect. His recommendations were never to try and "up sell" me, they were all from experience and expertise with these cars and motors. I can not express how happy I am with the motor and my experience working with Jordan. It was almost a 6 hour drive to him for me, but I won't take my car anywhere else now. If anyone has any questions on his work or his honesty you have my full permission to contact me about any of your concerns. My email is Slapasaurusrex@gmail.com
Thanks guys, have fun out there and be safe!
I got in touch with Jordanksartell and if any one had any questions about his work, please contact me. Trust me, his prices are more than fair and his work is second to none. I was very skeptical when I sent him my first parts payment of almost $2,000, as I have been scammed before, but now I could not be happier I went the route that I took. My new motor that he hand built is perfect. His recommendations were never to try and "up sell" me, they were all from experience and expertise with these cars and motors. I can not express how happy I am with the motor and my experience working with Jordan. It was almost a 6 hour drive to him for me, but I won't take my car anywhere else now. If anyone has any questions on his work or his honesty you have my full permission to contact me about any of your concerns. My email is Slapasaurusrex@gmail.com
Thanks guys, have fun out there and be safe!