AusS2000

Whoa! Are you saying $11K with an exchange or $11K outright, no exchange required? Do I part with $11K and get a J's motor, or do I part with $11K, get a J's motor and lose my motor?

If the latter is the case then you can take the cost of new and/or second hand parts out of the local price.

Are you referring to the quote by 1S2K2NV? Is so, please note that he has retracted that quote as it included an AEM EMS. I won't quibble about the valve cover etc, but the price is closer to $6600 if I'm not mistaken.

terd ferguson

Sorry for the mistake with your name. I hate when people call me "turd". It was just that the part you quoted made it sound as if I disregarded the cost of freight as if it didn't exist, when the fact was I couldn't give an accurate representation of the freight charges due to the freight charge varying so much depending where you are. Sorry for the misunderstanding. God save the queen, cheers mate, etc.

AusS2000

Here's the quote I assume you are working of:
So the comparison is against $6693 if no exchange is required and if it is, then you have to compare to $1751.38 (that can't be right surely).

terd ferguson

If you'll reread the post, I believe it was 11k including labor and freight both ways for the exchange. Both motors would require engine management, which I believe the price of the EMS is not included, but the tuning is.

AusS2000

Even assuming there is no exchange required, the J's is built from a second hand motor (nothing wrong with that) so in a comparison we should not be required to supply new parts. The new head and short block comes to about $5k of that quote. Assuming you can buy a good condition 2nd hand motor for $3K (I know you can currently get new 2.2s for $4K) then the comaprison is $11K vs. less than $5K ($6693-2000).

Enter any corrections where you like but surely this answers your question about why I think the J's motor is over priced.

terd ferguson

All I'm saying is that for $8,000 US plus an exchange of a usable rebuildable core plus freight charges, you get a hand assembled, balanced and blueprinted, stroked J's racing 2.2 litre motor with headwork making a claimed 300 ps and 30 kgm. That, in my opinion is a good deal. An even better deal is the Feel's crate motor someone else mentioned for around $7,000 with a claimed 280 ps and no exchange. My argument all along has been the oposite of the people who believe JDM super tuners (like J's, ASM, and Feel's) crate motors are overpriced. I feel these crate motors offer a good deal to those who don't want to much down time from back ups at engine builders and machine shops, and who desire a more powerful sort of stock motor.

AusS2000

But you admit that for about $5K (including core) you could get the same and support your economy? Then you sell your old donk for $2K and your total price is $3K. No down time (except install and tuning). Where am I going wrong here?

terd ferguson

What I recall from earlier is a price of $8093 US including EMS, but not including dyno time for tuning, which the motor needs because it was running too lean with the stock ECU. During a rebuild, the block usually has to be machined and the deck resurfaced and the cylinders bored plus the headwork (all of which take time not included in install and tuning).

AusS2000

You keep referring to the $8093 number. I got my wrist slapped for mentioning it by the author of that quote because even he admits it is inaccurate. That number includes $1400 for an AEM EMS as well as a NEW shortblock and head.

There is no need to 'recall' anything. It was posted two pages back and I quoted it on this very page. It is crap!!!

If you are talking exchange the J's price is $8K and the Alaniz price is $4K (allowing $1000 for tuning ). If you're talking no exchange the J's price is $11K and the Alaniz price is $7K. Either way it's a $4K difference!!!!

1AP12NV

And he misunderstood mine

Oh well.

And I'll roll my eyes at who I like. There seems to be some schism here where you can't understand what I'm saying and I'm disregarding everything you say J/K. I'm not even sure that we're arguing the same point anymore