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Old 11-09-2007, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by iam7head,Nov 8 2007, 03:34 AM
there's no free lunch, air flow up =less restriction= less filtering
That's not entirely true. You can decrease the pressure drop (increase the flow rate) by increasing the surface area of the same media. In other words, if you increase the amount of fiter media either by adding more pleats or using a larger filter, the air resistance will be lower while not affecting the filtering efficiency. Actually, to get really technical, the filtering efficiency improves slightly, as the velocities through the filter decrease. Another interesting thing is that the filtering effectiveness actually increases as the filter loads up with dirt.
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txst Posted on Nov 9 2007, 09:05 PM
Another interesting thing is that the filtering effectiveness actually increases as the filter loads up with dirt.
That is what K&N claim too.
Larger dirt paricles caught on the outside of the filter help filtering.

I'm listening to my UOA.
If the silicon (Si) levels stay low, the K&N stay's too.

And what if silicon parts make it into the combustion chamber, and fly out the exhaust, who cares?
No harm done



P.S. the OEM crankcase ventilation design allows for a lot of (filtered) air to flow through the crankcase.
If silicon parts make it through the filter they will surely be caught by the oil mist.

One more for KrankVents.
Or any other way to stop air flow through the crankcase.
(allowing blow-by to leave without restriction, that is)

Old 11-10-2007, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jyeung528,Nov 6 2007, 02:15 PM
if i use the stock paper filter with the k&n pipe...will that still be better than the stock airbox?
I don't think this will offer more performance on a pretty much stock S2k (read; basic stuff like exhaust/header perhaps). I have a chart (not created by me) that documents the MAP readings during dynoing various S2000s with different types of intakes (stock, PRM, Comptech, K&N (multiples)). This chart indicates that the stock airbox actually produces the least resistance throughout the rpm range. I know this sounds crazy and I could not believe it at first. But it is what it is.

It looks like a lot of R&D went in to the design of the stock airbox and capitalizes on the intake pulses to help out. If you look closely at the intake tube of the stock set-up you'll quickly notice that it is very short for one and it decreases in diameter as it gets closer to the throttle body.

If someone wants to post the chart for me, I'll email to you. (I don't know how to post up pics on here and don't have a photobucket account).
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^
thanks.

but i speak only of the stock filter, using the k&n pipe.

i want to keep the sound of a loud intake for childish reasons.
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Has anyone seen an engine failure BECAUSE of a K&N filter, I dont think so.
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Originally Posted by chetly,Nov 11 2007, 10:54 AM
Has anyone seen an engine failure BECAUSE of a K&N filter, I dont think so.
There have been numerous UOAs posted on BITOG showing high wear metals using a K&N filter, along with the associated high silicon rates. Poor filtration doesn't result in engine failure. It results in the engine wearing out faster.
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Originally Posted by slalom44,Nov 11 2007, 08:42 AM
There have been numerous UOAs posted on BITOG showing high wear metals using a K&N filter, along with the associated high silicon rates. Poor filtration doesn't result in engine failure. It results in the engine wearing out faster.
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fuq!!!

that post has convinced me to put my stock airbox back in now.
Old 11-13-2007, 09:42 AM
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An AP2 (2.2l) at 9000 RPM's wouldn't quite suck 300 CFM.

The test mentioned above is as much about aftermarket companies lying at the legal limit as it is about actual performance of the items tested.
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Originally Posted by DryCycle,Nov 13 2007, 01:42 PM

The test mentioned above is as much about aftermarket companies lying at the legal limit as it is about actual performance of the items tested.


I'm sure my Comptech foam filter is even worse.


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