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Inspection, compression & leak-down done today. Bad results. Your opinions?

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Old 11-02-2015, 05:09 AM
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As far as the clutch, give it time. Use the car some more, then decide with certainty what you don't like about it, if anything. Slipping can only be determined out on the road, wide open in vtec.

Let me be specific about what falls apart, the TO bearing. Typically in 20k miles. The shield of the bearing pops out prematurely, letting the grease escape.

You paid the money already for the clutch, get your time and money's worth from it (unless you can identify a specific problem of course)

To say a leakdown test checks whether the block or head is at fault is a vague and broad statement.

Anyone who knows engines will be able to follow the audio signal of the leak, and tell you with pinpoint accuracy:

-Leaking intake valves
-leaking exhaust valves
-leaking head gasket
-leaking cylinder rings

They will also be able to pinpoint the underlying cause, put the bad part in your hands, and show you it's fault.

The only money you should be spending right now is for your own compression tester. Take this entire matter into your own hands, and start from scratch. We will help you identify which oem part is at fault, if any.

All S2000s in existence are well capable of being in perfect health, with 100% oem parts. This goes for the engine, clutch, trans, everything.

With that being said, it is a mechanical certainty that if there is a problem, it can be fixed with an oem part.
Old 11-02-2015, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by windhund116
"He then proceeded to do a leak-down test to see if it was coming from the block or head. The block turned out to be fine and determined the low compression from cylinder 1 was coming from somewhere in the head/valve-train."

Wouldn't this suggest bad valves? EG: if the air leak noise is exhaust side ---> prolly burnt exhaust valves. Or way too tight adjustments.
Yes..he suggested it might be a tapped valve from a mis-shift or over-rev.
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Originally Posted by Habitforming
Originally Posted by Jah2000' timestamp='1446448635' post='23792296
Just read several threads on the matter...and everyone says Exedy clutches are actually really good and very similar to oe Honda clutches ( Honda oem actually uses discs made by Exedy/FCC). I only read bad things about their higher-performance stage-3 clutches. Now I'm more confused.
From one of our resident experts, who has 100's of clutch jobs under his belt by now:

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/113...#entry23737204
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/113...#entry23704222
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/805...#entry23688877
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/111...#entry23548156
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/111...#entry23526994
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/110...#entry23436861
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/110...#entry23385632
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/107...#entry23376224
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/108...#entry23222712
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/109...#entry23222709
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/108...#entry23118066

But again, I'm not saying you should change it proactively. Many people have had theirs last a good long time. Just set aside some rainy day money for when it inevitably happens.
Thanks for all the links bud. So I guess the Exedy really is in fact low-quality. But, hopefully it'll last around 18-20k miles or at least 1-2 years. I'll def plan on getting it replaced with all Honda parts within the next 20k miles or 1.5 years.
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Originally Posted by Jah2000
He actually told me it was a waste of money to do a valve-adjustment before anything else performed, because it most likely wouldn't help (ie: before installing the advised timing-gear, or pulling the head to get new valves (which we didn't get into, because he knew I had a very limited/tight budget). So, that's pretty much why I didn't get the valve-adjustment then-and-there - it wasn't advised/recommended to be done.
There is no single job in existence that has more of an effect on the S2000 engine than a proper valve adjustment. It is the FIRST thing to address, period.

It affects all aspects of the engine, the way it runs and idles, its compression, it's power balance, it's HP output, it's health, it's noise level, and it's longevity.

You don't pull the head until you have diagnosed beyond doubt what you are going to replace.

You definitely don't need new valves at this point, because a proper diagnosis was not followed to determine their condition.
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Decided to just do the valve adjustment myself (as per Billman's encouragement and recommendation to me) and save $240. I will do this once I receive my new torque wrench (getting a CDI wrench) and update my post with its' current valve-lash spec (per 16 valves) to see how off it really is from spec, as well get new compression check readings. Big advantage of DiY is I get to see with my own 2 eyes how off the valve-lash really is.

I've done many valve adjustments during the '90s, maybe a hundred times or so, on my own cars as well as many of my family's and friends' various Honda cars. But, I haven't done it in over 15 years; so, obviously, my mechanic's confidence is a little low and my "finger-feel" might not be as good as before. But, the sooner I start wrenching again, the better, in regards to re-gaining mechanic's confidence again. I look forward to doing this soon, once I receive my new wrench.

I needed to get a new torque wrench asap anyways ..so I can finally work on the rest of my car too (oil, fluids, brakes, wheels, future mods, etc.). Might as well get a new torque wrench today/asap, and then do the valve-adjustment myself once I receive it (and save $240 to boot).

Thanks a bunch for all your insight Billman. You've been a big help.



Btw…anyone have recommendations for an inexpensive, but decent/good quality, compression checker?
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Rent Compression tester from Autozone. When you gonna use it again? Some tools not worth owning (can't believe I really said that, sacrilege).

Do not buy the Harbor Freight one. Some stuff from HF is fine. This is not one of them.

When you do the valve adjust, make sure cam lobe of any valve you are about to adjust is pointing away from valve, pointing up. This sanity checks you are following the timing marks properly.

In fact, you can totally disregard all the timing marks, and just turn crank till lobe points up, adjust those valves, repeat. I find this way faster, and less error prone.

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Ya..I was thinkin of just renting the comp-checker from Autozone (for free).

Are HF jack-stands any good though? I currently only have 2 (bought them back in the day from Costco). I need 2 more to level the car so I can do the MTF and brake-fluid flush.





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I haven't had any issues with my harbor freight compression tester. The calibration is off, sure. But I know what it is off by since I verified with a calibrated gauge. And since 99% of the time you're only looking at the differences between the cylinders, is that really a problem?
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Whether you buy a Snap-On comp tester or a cheap one, the difference in numbers will be the same (don't concentrate on actual numbers, but look for consistency)


One gauge may say 240-240-230-200. one may say 210-210-200-170. The numbers are different gauge to gauge, but the differences between each other is constant.

Compression prep:

-Engine full operating temp, run test right after engine shut down
-all spark plugs out
-throttle wide open
-injectors unplugged
-crank each cylinder the same amount (5-7 needle pulses on the gauge)
-do cylinders 1,2,3,4,1 (doing number one again and getting same result will negate any progressive test losses due to anything, cranking speed, etc, mentioned above by LeonV)
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Originally Posted by Jah2000
Decided to just do the valve adjustment myself
and inspection for cracked retainers, right?


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