individual throttle bodies
06-07-2005, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JsAP1,Jun 7 2005, 01:16 PM
I beg to differ with that statement. You be the judge. You said a bolt on SC. Thats all I saw so here you go. You do the math. 
Toda built motor/ITB's.
S2k weight at 2000 pounds
We are looking at 300-310 hp to the wheels
VS
OEM Honda Comptech SC
S2k weight 2815 pounds
We are looking at 290-325 hp to the wheels.
IMO on an open track the NA car would beat the crap out of the SC car. Same horsepower and the NA car is about 800 pounds lighter? How can you say thats no match? It is no match for the NA/ITB car. Of course thats if its properly tuned.
I am also assuming driving conditions, tires, driver are all on the same/equal level.
Toda built motor/ITB's.
S2k weight at 2000 pounds
We are looking at 300-310 hp to the wheels
VS
OEM Honda Comptech SC
S2k weight 2815 pounds
We are looking at 290-325 hp to the wheels.
IMO on an open track the NA car would beat the crap out of the SC car. Same horsepower and the NA car is about 800 pounds lighter? How can you say thats no match? It is no match for the NA/ITB car.
Of course thats if its properly tuned. I am also assuming driving conditions, tires, driver are all on the same/equal level.
06-07-2005, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JsAP1,Jun 7 2005, 11:43 PM
SC S2k
VS
Toda ITB/Built motor will wipe the floor on an open track with twisties. Bottom line. If you dont see that than thats your problem.
VS
Toda ITB/Built motor will wipe the floor on an open track with twisties. Bottom line. If you dont see that than thats your problem.
The issue is, you took a simple SC vs ITB and blew it out of proportion. In case you didn't notice, pantyraider made a similar post mocking you
06-07-2005, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by iRkennethMe,Jun 6 2005, 08:29 PM
i'm curious with out force induction but maybe with individual throttle bodies... how much HP can the S2k engine push out with out force induction?
06-07-2005, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JsAP1,Jun 7 2005, 08:43 PM
I took it and others took it the same way.
A 2800 pound SC S2k
VS
A 2000 pound NA Toda ITB setup
With the same hourse power.
Who wins Mr. Wizard?
A 2800 pound SC S2k
VS
A 2000 pound NA Toda ITB setup
With the same hourse power.
Who wins Mr. Wizard?
What kind of a dumbass comparison is this? A 2800 lb car vs a 2000 lb car? YOU are the one living in a dream world if you think this is an equal comparison.
Oh, and please don't use the "English is not my main language excuse, either".
Now, get on the topic or I'll shut this thread down faster than a whore house on a saturday night.
06-07-2005, 07:54 PM
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ITB vs SC s2k
Well believe it or not on top end ITB S2k with 4.77 will go by a SC with 4.10 ITB some ppl try to make more technical than what it is. You have proper tuneing and its great. I am sick of everyone talking about ITB being worthless and another point I should make Its not Overal Power its the whole effect of the Powerband. If ITB didnt work why does iny car and many other track cars use them. ITB is one of the oldest desighn and most simple. But they do need to be tuned correctly by someone who KNOWS how to tune them. I run them myself, infact My buddy and I made a set for his Civic from motorcycle throttle bodies AND .... AND.. ran it on a stock ECU no codes and it ideled properly. It was a little differant setting the TPS, but let me be the first one to tell u that car would run.
Well believe it or not on top end ITB S2k with 4.77 will go by a SC with 4.10 ITB some ppl try to make more technical than what it is. You have proper tuneing and its great. I am sick of everyone talking about ITB being worthless and another point I should make Its not Overal Power its the whole effect of the Powerband. If ITB didnt work why does iny car and many other track cars use them. ITB is one of the oldest desighn and most simple. But they do need to be tuned correctly by someone who KNOWS how to tune them. I run them myself, infact My buddy and I made a set for his Civic from motorcycle throttle bodies AND .... AND.. ran it on a stock ECU no codes and it ideled properly. It was a little differant setting the TPS, but let me be the first one to tell u that car would run.
06-07-2005, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by billman250,Jun 7 2005, 07:50 PM
If you read, you would see that this is not disputed here. In your comparison, the ITB car is obviously faster.
The issue is, you took a simple SC vs ITB and blew it out of proportion. In case you didn't notice, pantyraider made a similar post mocking you
The issue is, you took a simple SC vs ITB and blew it out of proportion. In case you didn't notice, pantyraider made a similar post mocking you
I blew it out of proportion because I was defending the point of the ITB guys and what I have seen. Thats all. Cant we all just get along? This is all entertainment. Infact I am watching Unsolved Mysteries on the Skunk Ape in Florida.
06-07-2005, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by HunterEz,Jun 7 2005, 08:51 PM
^ So no one answered this poor unsuspecting poster's question yet...
30hp in the midrange and about 10 to 15 topend.
Guys are telling me 30 to 50hp which is fine if you want to say EMS and ITBs, it's just not ITBs alone, which is what I want everyone who asks to understand.
Guys are telling me 30 to 50hp which is fine if you want to say EMS and ITBs, it's just not ITBs alone, which is what I want everyone who asks to understand.
06-07-2005, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by xviper,Jun 7 2005, 07:53 PM
No, only YOU took it that way. Why do you suppose everyone is laughing at you?
What kind of a dumbass comparison is this? A 2800 lb car vs a 2000 lb car? YOU are the one living in a dream world if you think this is an equal comparison.
Oh, and please don't use the "English is not my main language excuse, either".
Now, get on the topic or I'll shut this thread down faster than a whore house on a saturday night.
What kind of a dumbass comparison is this? A 2800 lb car vs a 2000 lb car? YOU are the one living in a dream world if you think this is an equal comparison.
Oh, and please don't use the "English is not my main language excuse, either".
Now, get on the topic or I'll shut this thread down faster than a whore house on a saturday night.
Bump.
06-07-2005, 08:03 PM
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Just to add...I'm not anti-ITB....I actually love the setup. The sound is unmatched by anything on earth, and the throttle response is incredible. I was considering buying Dan's, if he parted his ride....