Hard time shifting into first/second?
09-23-2011, 04:00 PM
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Akkmed, how can your clutch fluid be black if the dealership changed it? Colour change is clutch fluids way of showing it's age. New it's blue or golden, old it's black. Change your fluid.
If it's clutch dust clogging up your works it should be a simple matter of cleaning the internals. Remove slave cylinder and access through fork hole. Not sure what you'd use to clean. Maybe brake cleaner and high pressure air (wear goggles).
If your symptoms are clutch engages/doesn't disengage there is no reason to replace the clutch. Clean up and maintenance is all that is required.
If it's clutch dust clogging up your works it should be a simple matter of cleaning the internals. Remove slave cylinder and access through fork hole. Not sure what you'd use to clean. Maybe brake cleaner and high pressure air (wear goggles).
If your symptoms are clutch engages/doesn't disengage there is no reason to replace the clutch. Clean up and maintenance is all that is required.
09-24-2011, 07:34 AM
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I had a similar problem with my 00 at around 190k. Started with hard shift into low gear, then second, then third. Got to the point where clutch did not want to fully disengage easily at lower speeds. Took it to a local trans guy. Turned out the be debris from the cluth or pressure plate (cant remember which) causing all problems. He fixed it for around $1200 - $1300. Replaced clutch and pressure plate.
BTW, I tried/ checked slave cylinder, trans fluid, bleeding, etc. before i talked to trans guy. He was surprised at what he found too.
BTW, I tried/ checked slave cylinder, trans fluid, bleeding, etc. before i talked to trans guy. He was surprised at what he found too.
10-26-2011, 11:08 AM
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I feel like my tranny is hard in those gears all the time but it doesn't sound alarming. How bad is this noise? Video/sound would be great. Either you're paranoid or I'm just not seeing it as a problem. If it is or not.
10-26-2011, 12:18 PM
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Mine feels like this right now. Hoping changing to Amsoil Synchromesh will help. And I've had this weird shifting feeling in my other Civics when I ran Honda MTF. I know I'll get stoned to death for saying this but Honda MTF absolutely sucks. It has always felt like complete ass in every Honda I've owned.
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Here's some info: 2004 Changes- TRANSMISSION
• A tighter secondary gear reduction ratio (1.206 vs 1.16) to provide a bit more snap off the line and to better match the characteristics of the new motor. This is also called the intermediate ratio and is the gear after the transmission and before the driveshaft. It goes like this: Crankshaft --> clutch --> transmission (gears 1-6 + R) --> intermediate ratio gear --> driveshaft --> rear diff --> axles
• 4% shorter ratios for 1st through 4th gears while the 5th ratio is effectively 1% shorter and 6th is effectively 2% longer, for a slightly more relaxed cruise speed. 5th gear ratio changed from 0.971 to 0.942. 6th gear ratio changed from 0.811 to 0.763.
• Carbon fiber synchromesh replace the solid brass ones for all gears except reverse. The new design features a brass ring with a carbon fiber element bonded on the inner surface, resulting in simplified mechanical components, increased synchronizer capacity, improved abrasion resistance, and reduced weight. The weight reduction and increased capacity translates to a smoother and quicker shifting feel. Further enhancing shift feel quality is a reduction in the load acting on the disc spring. Per Honda, this tweak results in reduced shift knob operational load and reduced harshness.
• transmission case rigidity improved
ALSO :http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/ar...d=200707112298
CLUTCH
• Redesigned clutch and clutch case.
• To reduce the "impact torque" of a high rpm clutch dump, the new clutch has an additional orifice at the sleeve cylinder, which reduces the torque reaction acting on the drivetrain, in effect a clutch delay system.
• The clutch case has incorporated additional rib reinforcements to reduce vibrations and noises generated by the drivetrain. The additional ribs have improved clutch case rigidity by approximately 10%.
• A tighter secondary gear reduction ratio (1.206 vs 1.16) to provide a bit more snap off the line and to better match the characteristics of the new motor. This is also called the intermediate ratio and is the gear after the transmission and before the driveshaft. It goes like this: Crankshaft --> clutch --> transmission (gears 1-6 + R) --> intermediate ratio gear --> driveshaft --> rear diff --> axles
• 4% shorter ratios for 1st through 4th gears while the 5th ratio is effectively 1% shorter and 6th is effectively 2% longer, for a slightly more relaxed cruise speed. 5th gear ratio changed from 0.971 to 0.942. 6th gear ratio changed from 0.811 to 0.763.
• Carbon fiber synchromesh replace the solid brass ones for all gears except reverse. The new design features a brass ring with a carbon fiber element bonded on the inner surface, resulting in simplified mechanical components, increased synchronizer capacity, improved abrasion resistance, and reduced weight. The weight reduction and increased capacity translates to a smoother and quicker shifting feel. Further enhancing shift feel quality is a reduction in the load acting on the disc spring. Per Honda, this tweak results in reduced shift knob operational load and reduced harshness.
• transmission case rigidity improved
ALSO :http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/ar...d=200707112298
CLUTCH
• Redesigned clutch and clutch case.
• To reduce the "impact torque" of a high rpm clutch dump, the new clutch has an additional orifice at the sleeve cylinder, which reduces the torque reaction acting on the drivetrain, in effect a clutch delay system.
• The clutch case has incorporated additional rib reinforcements to reduce vibrations and noises generated by the drivetrain. The additional ribs have improved clutch case rigidity by approximately 10%.
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