Future Hondata plans for our car
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Originally Posted by joes sled 2000,Dec 14 2004, 04:32 PM
There will be a hondata setup for our cars in due time.I know this because i called hondata a few weeks ago and specifically asked about it.They told me they were working on it.If anyone has doubts,give hondata a call.
UL - "Doug, planning on doing an S2000 ECU?"
Doug - "No"
UL - "Any timeframe on the RSX conversion?"
Doug - "No, there's a difference between wanting to do something and having the time and resources to do it in a cost effective manner. There is nothing in the pipeline at the moment. While we will continue to investigate options, please don't call us asking for solutions because we don't have one. The problem is that the S2000 ECU is the only one in Honda's range that is not programmable."
I hope that clears things up folks. I typed as he spoke.
UL
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[QUOTE=ultimate lurker,Dec 15 2004, 02:13 PM]Doug Macmillan (co-founder of Hondata) is standing next to me in my office as I type this:
UL - "Doug, planning on doing an S2000 ECU?"
Doug - "No"
UL - "Any timeframe on the RSX conversion?"
Doug - "No, there's a difference between wanting to do something and having the time and resources to do it in a cost effective manner.
UL - "Doug, planning on doing an S2000 ECU?"
Doug - "No"
UL - "Any timeframe on the RSX conversion?"
Doug - "No, there's a difference between wanting to do something and having the time and resources to do it in a cost effective manner.
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Originally Posted by dut,Dec 15 2004, 05:18 PM
- and why are they detuned? because if not detuned, it would take the s2k out
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I'd like to see a future S w/ an i-vtec engine making around 280bhp...now that'd be nice!!! I agree, the F20C/F22C doesn't quite have the capability of the K-series, but I don't think it's as maxed out as everyone says.
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Originally Posted by davepk,Dec 15 2004, 10:09 PM
Sounds like its time for a K20 transplant to an AP1.
I'd imagine it'd be expensive.
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Originally Posted by JSR_AP2,Dec 15 2004, 05:53 PM
I agree, the F20C/F22C doesn't quite have the capability of the K-series.
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I feel an i-vtec F22C would be an improvement as I do not look solely at peak numbers. Yes, vtc does help mostly in the mid-range department, but that also provides more area under both power and tq curves. Including vtc into the s2k would make it a better all-around car, that can perform better than current during normal or mildly aggressive driving while not sacrificing performance at the top-end. It will also broaden the usable powerband and make the s2k a better contender at the track (hp sells cars, tq wins races...and tho s2k's get great times when no one's on the track with them, they don't have the powerband and tq to make passes on cars like the 350z). The only con would be added rotational weight, which isn't as big a concern since we're not revving to stratospheric levels. Tho the F20/22C head is great, the K20A has more potential as an engine overall...not surprising necessarily since it is considerably newer. Once vtc is integrated into the s2k engine, it'll once again be top dog in the I4 world.
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with the compact F series head, it'll be a challenge to get the VTC component. The cam gears are small and I'm guessing Honda didn't want to make a mini-VTC gear for a low production car at the end of its life.
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I almost ran the K-pro Hondata in my car, It can be done some one just needs to do it so they can test it out. You have to change a couple sensors in the motor to make it operate. Those parts are made by honda and are expensive. The cost will probably be just shy of $2K, plus however much dyno time you need. Is it worth it? thats up to you i only see a big advantage if you are FI, I'll probably end up using E - Manage.
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