vboy720

im goin through the misfire cel with u.... sucks real bad. makes me want to go out and buy a new s. but anywho, is there a diy instruction on how to clean the injectors? I would like to know how, and see if i can perform this myself.

SenderGreen

When MY03 was new I had multiple random misfires. I took it the dealership a few times. First they blamed gas, then they started swapping plugs and coil packs, finally a compression and leakdown test. They told me it was "valve lash" which they explained was the valves being too tight. After 2 valve adjustments they problem was cured and has not returned in about 4 years. The first vavle adjustment was done incorrectly and they said the exhaust vavles were still too tight.
I suppose it is possible that I was blatantly lied to. If I had to take in one more time for the same misfire problem I could have cried lemon law here in California. So I guess anything is possible. At any rate according to Honda I was a recurring multiple random misfire caused by valves too tight straight from the factory. All the paperwork from the dealer reflects what I was being told (then again, I guess it would have to) about the problem and work done to correct it. I actually had one tech say they had seen it before on S2000's and CR-V's of all things. Now based on what you say I'm not very inclined to believe it, and think it's more likely they were just "shining me on".
I have no idea, but wanted to share what I was told at least.

EDIT: I take it back it has only been about 3 yrs since the last occurence. Also I remember when I took it back the last time after almost a year without a problem is when I was told by one tech (not the one that did the work) that the valves on the S2000's and CR-V's actually like to tighten on their own. Seems more like an excuse the more I think about it. Also another tech (also not the one that did the work) on the same visit simply confessed he thought the original valve adjustment was done incorrectly.
1/10/03 odo 2708 Honda of Pasadena Warranty Cylinder Misfire. Cylinders 1 and 3. DTC P0301/P0303. Coil Packs Swapped. Tech 318.

2/18/03 odo 5860 Honda of Pasadena Warranty Cylinder Misfire. Cylinder Misfire. Cylinder 1. DTC P0301/P1399. Tech 318 (I think they swapped plugs here, I'd have to dig out the rerciept to check)

2/19/03 odo 5882 Honda of Pasadena Warranty Cylinder Misfire. Cylinder Misfire. Cylinder 1. DTC P0301/P1399. Valve Lash Adjusted, Techron Added. Tech 318.

02/04/04 odo 19650 Honda of Pasadena Warranty Cylinder Misfire. Cylinder Misfire. Cylinder 1. DTC P0301/P1399. Exhaust Valves Adjusted. Tech 318

RACER

AusS2000

Had a misfire on 2. Swapped the plug and it went a way... for a while. Swapped coil packs around and new plugs. Went away.... for a while.

Swapped injectors. Went away, for a while.

Did a valve adjustment. No change.

Did a leak down test and results were bad.

Currently rebuilding a second block. Transplant in the next week or so.

SILAP1

make them replace your engine if it fails compression test thats bull. I would be knocking on the owners door trying to get a new engine. Theres no way to fix low compression. honda will cover the engine for sure.

SenderGreen

That does seem high. I think the plugs by themselves are less than $60.00. You should get the OEM NGK's.

ridestrt

someone earlier mentioned the lemon law. Just to set it straight you have to visit a dealer 6 times for the same exact problem with no progress being made to be eligable for the lemon law

rijowysock

these damn cars, ugh... i used to have friends working in service at 2 different honda dealers but now theyve moved on... so now i gotta find a new friend in service... i m still looking for a new car so hopefully this gives me a temp fix for at least a couple thousand miles.

SenderGreen

Actually in CA it is "more than two attempts".
Song Beverly consumer warranty act.
http://ag.ca.gov/consumers/general/lemon.php
read paragraph B.
Also special consideration can be made if it is a safety system that has the problem. eg. Brakes, seat belts, airbags.

So, it's not 6 attempts by any stretch. The number of attempts required without it involving a safety system is 4 within 18 months. I have actually heard of cars being replaced in the 3 attempts without safety being an issue.

S2Kabob

yep, its 4 for no saftey..did that to my 03 GTI .. had 18 k on it.. CEL on cold start.. took it in 5 times and finally gave up, called BBB AUTO. faxed it all in.. 2 weeks later, had a letter from VWOA asking what i want.. cash back or new car.. opted for new car.

goodluck!