Engine Oil Light on at Idle....
04-29-2012, 06:38 AM
#12
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I had the wifey operate the clutch a dozen times or so while I was looking at the crank pulley and I couldn't detect any movement of the crank by sight or feel. If that means anything ?
04-29-2012, 07:25 AM
#13
Originally Posted by starchland' timestamp='1335702861' post='21652847
Search the site, something about crank walk,and clutch related...if it has some play in it vertically...I think Billman has some posts on that. Im not sure if you would see 33 ppm in the filter?
Hopefully its something simple, like a blocked sump or something.
Hopefully its something simple, like a blocked sump or something.
I could only get one hand on the crank pulley due to tight access right now, and I couldn't budge it, perhaps it takes two hands to test it properly. I'd rather have bad rod bearings than crank main bearings, couldn't bad rod bearings induce some roughness in the powertrain ?.
The only other thing I can think of is a clogged oil filter, but it is a pretty much new Honda S2000 specific filter. I'd like to see the pick-up sceen on oil pump. I'd swap out the oil and filter and do an oil pressure check if it is safe to run the engine with the oil light on, but everything I've seen said not to run the engine if the oil pressure light is on ?
04-29-2012, 07:26 AM
#14
How many km since your oil pan install? Oil jets? Anything else recently done to the car? How fast were you going on the track? I honestly can't see that being the reason for starvation assuming oil level H
04-29-2012, 07:27 AM
#15
I already mentioned to the OP there should never, ever be metal in your oil. And, that's what we found in my pan when we pulled it.
04-29-2012, 07:38 AM
#16
Thread Starter
Oil pan install was only about 500 miles since I did it - over winter months - Mugen oil pan which is a fairly simple design, not much should have gone wrong from that part install. The 4 hole oil-jet bolts were from the factory, I was lucky to have an engine in 2002 that received the upgraded bolts from the factory. I was running pretty hard at the track as I had a fair bit of open road, it was Mosport which has some high-g sweepers and uphill runs. Something must have happened that day at the track as it was just after that when my oil analysis came back bad and there was some glitter in the oil. Up to that point my oil analysis reports were pretty solid. Thanks for the reply.
04-29-2012, 07:45 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by JFUSION' timestamp='1335706324' post='21652906
[quote name='starchland' timestamp='1335702861' post='21652847']
Search the site, something about crank walk,and clutch related...if it has some play in it vertically...I think Billman has some posts on that. Im not sure if you would see 33 ppm in the filter?
Hopefully its something simple, like a blocked sump or something.
Search the site, something about crank walk,and clutch related...if it has some play in it vertically...I think Billman has some posts on that. Im not sure if you would see 33 ppm in the filter?
Hopefully its something simple, like a blocked sump or something.
I could only get one hand on the crank pulley due to tight access right now, and I couldn't budge it, perhaps it takes two hands to test it properly. I'd rather have bad rod bearings than crank main bearings, couldn't bad rod bearings induce some roughness in the powertrain ?.
The only other thing I can think of is a clogged oil filter, but it is a pretty much new Honda S2000 specific filter. I'd like to see the pick-up sceen on oil pump. I'd swap out the oil and filter and do an oil pressure check if it is safe to run the engine with the oil light on, but everything I've seen said not to run the engine if the oil pressure light is on ?
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Thanks for the reply David. I will avoid starting it up again and pass on the oil pressure test then. Please excuse me, I'm a bit slow and OCD all rolled up into one.
Where you said I've diagnosed the problem do you mean my reference to the rod bearings ?, If it is rod bearings I could possibly tackle it myself, but did you loose some main or thrust bearings too ?, if it got that bad on mine I wouldn't likely tackle it myself. Thanks for the reply.
04-29-2012, 07:55 AM
#18
Originally Posted by davidc1' timestamp='1335713137' post='21653058
[quote name='JFUSION' timestamp='1335706324' post='21652906']
[quote name='starchland' timestamp='1335702861' post='21652847']
Search the site, something about crank walk,and clutch related...if it has some play in it vertically...I think Billman has some posts on that. Im not sure if you would see 33 ppm in the filter?
Hopefully its something simple, like a blocked sump or something.
[quote name='starchland' timestamp='1335702861' post='21652847']
Search the site, something about crank walk,and clutch related...if it has some play in it vertically...I think Billman has some posts on that. Im not sure if you would see 33 ppm in the filter?
Hopefully its something simple, like a blocked sump or something.
I could only get one hand on the crank pulley due to tight access right now, and I couldn't budge it, perhaps it takes two hands to test it properly. I'd rather have bad rod bearings than crank main bearings, couldn't bad rod bearings induce some roughness in the powertrain ?.
The only other thing I can think of is a clogged oil filter, but it is a pretty much new Honda S2000 specific filter. I'd like to see the pick-up sceen on oil pump. I'd swap out the oil and filter and do an oil pressure check if it is safe to run the engine with the oil light on, but everything I've seen said not to run the engine if the oil pressure light is on ?
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Thanks for the reply David. I will avoid starting it up again and pass on the oil pressure test then. Please excuse me, I'm a bit slow and OCD all rolled up into one.
Where you said I've diagnosed the problem do you mean my reference to the rod bearings ?, If it is rod bearings I could possibly tackle it myself, but did you loose some main or thrust bearings too ?, if it got that bad on mine I wouldn't likely tackle it myself. Thanks for the reply.
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No problem. When I said you Dx the problem, I was not being specific as too exactly what the metal came from. Just that it should never be there.
I lost a rod bearing and part of the crank bearings as well, but don't know anything more specific than that. I'm sure my problem was exacerbated by previous running with oil a quart low on many occasions. That was a frickin' expensive lesson.
My guess you'll find more metal in the pan when you remove it. I believe you can sort of Dx if it's from the rods or crank based on the type of metal, but I don't know the specifics. But, that's academic at this point.
Sorry about your loss.
04-29-2012, 07:57 AM
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But you never mentioned this:
That track had some long high g sweeping curves which have been known to cause some oil starvation issues on some cars, and it has a very steep uphill section of the track accelerating hard and oil sloshing to the back of the pan I think.
This is why my MY'00 AP1 chassis has a MY'04 F20C2 in it right now.
I never investigated what bearings had damage, the bottom end is still in a garagebox.
In a way you have some bragging rights now: even on street tires you managed to produce oil starvation
It took me R-comps to do this.
But, I also had all the missfire CEL's at idle.
Who wins?
In time you'll be able to laugh about it, but trust me, I know how you feel when you saw that oil waring light come on.
04-29-2012, 07:59 AM
#20
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Originally Posted by JFUSION' timestamp='1335714348' post='21653096
[quote name='davidc1' timestamp='1335713137' post='21653058']
[quote name='JFUSION' timestamp='1335706324' post='21652906']
[quote name='starchland' timestamp='1335702861' post='21652847']
Search the site, something about crank walk,and clutch related...if it has some play in it vertically...I think Billman has some posts on that. Im not sure if you would see 33 ppm in the filter?
Hopefully its something simple, like a blocked sump or something.
[quote name='JFUSION' timestamp='1335706324' post='21652906']
[quote name='starchland' timestamp='1335702861' post='21652847']
Search the site, something about crank walk,and clutch related...if it has some play in it vertically...I think Billman has some posts on that. Im not sure if you would see 33 ppm in the filter?
Hopefully its something simple, like a blocked sump or something.
I could only get one hand on the crank pulley due to tight access right now, and I couldn't budge it, perhaps it takes two hands to test it properly. I'd rather have bad rod bearings than crank main bearings, couldn't bad rod bearings induce some roughness in the powertrain ?.
The only other thing I can think of is a clogged oil filter, but it is a pretty much new Honda S2000 specific filter. I'd like to see the pick-up sceen on oil pump. I'd swap out the oil and filter and do an oil pressure check if it is safe to run the engine with the oil light on, but everything I've seen said not to run the engine if the oil pressure light is on ?
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Thanks for the reply David. I will avoid starting it up again and pass on the oil pressure test then. Please excuse me, I'm a bit slow and OCD all rolled up into one.
Where you said I've diagnosed the problem do you mean my reference to the rod bearings ?, If it is rod bearings I could possibly tackle it myself, but did you loose some main or thrust bearings too ?, if it got that bad on mine I wouldn't likely tackle it myself. Thanks for the reply.
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No problem. When I said you Dx the problem, I was not being specific as too exactly what the metal came from. Just that it should never be there.
I lost a rod bearing and part of the crank bearings as well, but don't know anything more specific than that. I'm sure my problem was exacerbated by previous running with oil a quart low on many occasions. That was a frickin' expensive lesson.
My guess you'll find more metal in the pan when you remove it. I believe you can sort of Dx if it's from the rods or crank based on the type of metal, but I don't know the specifics. But, that's academic at this point.
Sorry about your loss.
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ah okay I think I'll proceed to remove the pan and take it from there. I might pull my plugs today as well and see if they reveal anything with the cylinders. Thanks for the advice.