Best aligment Specs for AP2s?
10-16-2006, 09:51 AM
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Best aligment Specs for AP2s?
need to get my car aligned and wanted to know What are some good settings for midrange street cornering and quick exiting, for a car that is 100% daily street driven, would not want accelatered uneven tire wear neither.
car has complete OEM suspension with OEM 17's wheels and tires
car has complete OEM suspension with OEM 17's wheels and tires
10-16-2006, 12:22 PM
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I asked this question about 3 weeks ago and didn't get much of a response. The best adivce I've found so far is to run the specs that Honda UK recommended after extensive testing. They are
Front:
Caster (L&R) 6deg 45"
Camber (L&R) -1.0
Toe: (L&R) 0
Total Toe 0
Rear:
Camber: (L&R) -2.0
Toe (L) 0 deg 20"
Toe
Front:
Caster (L&R) 6deg 45"
Camber (L&R) -1.0
Toe: (L&R) 0
Total Toe 0
Rear:
Camber: (L&R) -2.0
Toe (L) 0 deg 20"
Toe
10-16-2006, 12:56 PM
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Got ya thanks alot man. also are you using this setting your self? are you stock?
is there a difference in ap1 ap2s? relating to aligment settings that is..
would this give camber wear? anybody?.. thanks IA
is there a difference in ap1 ap2s? relating to aligment settings that is..
would this give camber wear? anybody?.. thanks IA
10-16-2006, 01:14 PM
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UK-specs are within Honda's AP1 limits, I'm not sure if the specs are the same for AP1 and AP2.
UK-spec will give you some camber wear.
You just can not have the best of both worlds.....
UK-spec will give you some camber wear.
You just can not have the best of both worlds.....
10-16-2006, 02:44 PM
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The specs you want to use are in your owners manual, pg 188 I believe. Make sure that you interpolate minutes into degrees properly for the tech...they usually screw this up. The UK specs listed above are more agressive and will cause more tire wear than you seem to be willing to accept. Make sure you sit in the driver's seat while they are aligning your car, and make them align it exactly to spec. You and your car deserve it!
10-16-2006, 05:32 PM
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For good tire wear and great street handling, I'd seriously recommend rear negative camber around the small end of the range: -1.0 or so. I have an '06 AP2, and run -0.9 myself. This provides much better tire wear, and, IMHO, the car handles on the street much better too: the car stays flatter in the corners, and, you'll find the rear end twitches less on corner entry, and it twitches less on corner exit when putting down a lot of power from lower (street) speeds.
Rear negative camber of -1.0 is already pretty high - as compared to other cars, and I find this works well for the street as well as twisty moutain roads.
With the high negative camber (-1.5 or -2.0) the car's rear end has to "plant" itself first, but then handles great, which is fantastic for the high-speed sweeping corners of the track. On the street though, you mostly don't generate enough cornering forces to really "plant" the outside tire, so the excess camber makes you ride around on the insides of the rear tires and causes what feels like a wiggle of the rear end, both when entering the corner and then again when exiting under power. Plus the rear tire wear is uneven.
Also, the AP2s have wider rear tires, and lower profile tires, both of which suggest reducing rear camber to me (as compared with the AP1s).
Rear negative camber of -1.0 is already pretty high - as compared to other cars, and I find this works well for the street as well as twisty moutain roads.
With the high negative camber (-1.5 or -2.0) the car's rear end has to "plant" itself first, but then handles great, which is fantastic for the high-speed sweeping corners of the track. On the street though, you mostly don't generate enough cornering forces to really "plant" the outside tire, so the excess camber makes you ride around on the insides of the rear tires and causes what feels like a wiggle of the rear end, both when entering the corner and then again when exiting under power. Plus the rear tire wear is uneven.
Also, the AP2s have wider rear tires, and lower profile tires, both of which suggest reducing rear camber to me (as compared with the AP1s).
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10-17-2006, 05:28 AM
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[QUOTE=ottokrat,Oct 16 2006, 09:32 PM]For good tire wear and great street handling, I'd seriously recommend rear negative camber around the small end of the range: -1.0 or so.
10-17-2006, 06:20 AM
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It's all degrees.
1.5 is degrees, 1'30" is also.
The notation is different.
1 degree = 60 minutes.
1.5 degree = 1 and a half degree or 1 degree and 30 minutes = 1'30"
1'20" would be .. (20 = a third of 60) => 1.33.
1"07" would be .. (devide 7 by 60 and you will get 0.116) => 1.116
Now.. what would 0'25" be and 1.7 hmm?
Well...(do the math
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Most calculators have a deg>hms and hms>deg button
1.5 is degrees, 1'30" is also.
The notation is different.
1 degree = 60 minutes.
1.5 degree = 1 and a half degree or 1 degree and 30 minutes = 1'30"
1'20" would be .. (20 = a third of 60) => 1.33.
1"07" would be .. (devide 7 by 60 and you will get 0.116) => 1.116
Now.. what would 0'25" be and 1.7 hmm?
Well...(do the math
)?Most calculators have a deg>hms and hms>deg button