Axle nuts
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Axle nuts
I had clanking in the rear, and the dealer said that axle nuts needed to be changed, which set me back a bit over $100 (I'm in MD). Just wonderin' - did they screw me over in price, and did the axle nuts need to be changed (I thought they can be just tightened? I don't really know what I'm talking about, though) ? Thx!
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Originally Posted by jeggy,Aug 19 2007, 04:21 PM
labor is free?
74 dollar per hour is what normal price and torquing the nut takes no time if you have a lift and air compressor.
labor and overhead are high but not that high
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Originally Posted by jeggy,Aug 19 2007, 04:21 PM
labor is free?
Even with parts and labor being paid fully by the customer I don't see how this could possibly cost a $100 unless they did more than just remove, grease, and re-torque the nut. I think there are actually two versions of the service news with regard to the axle/spindle nuts on the S2000. One (the more recent I believe) is more involved and requires more disassembly than the other, but does not state the revised 220 ft-lb torque spec.
Assuming they did the easier one, it should have taken a dealership about 15 min or less even to perform. Also although it is not the same as a Recall or warranty repair many dealerships choose to perform TSB (I guess this one is technically just Service News Bulletin) work gratis. I'm sure some consideration goes into it depending on the complexity/time of the work and parts required. This one I would think would be a no brainer for a dealership to perform for free. It would cost the dealership next to nothing in labor or parts and the end result would likely be very happy customer.
I don't think the axle/spindle nuts even cost $4.00, closer to $2.00 a piece (90305-SD4-003). I did mine myself and the Honda parts actually just gave the parts for free.
EDIT: No lift used, car would be on the ground. No air tools really required either (they would probably help though ). This one would be super easy for a dealership. It was pretty easy for me except for the brute force aspect of breaking one of the axle nuts free.
I think all you need:
36mm Socket
Breaker Bar
Grease
New Spindle nuts
Torque Wrench that measures up to 220ft lbs. (or 181 ft-lbs. if you're going that route)
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Originally Posted by SenderGreen,Aug 19 2007, 06:03 PM
I agree labor has a $ value. I do think $100.00 is kind of steep though. I think an hour of dealership labor is around $86.00. It has been a while so that may be off, but I seem to recall this what they like to charge to "hook a car up to the computers" for diagnosis, the equivalent to one labor hour.
Even with parts and labor being paid fully by the customer I don't see how this could possibly cost a $100 unless they did more than just remove, grease, and re-torque the nut. I think there are actually two versions of the service news with regard to the axle/spindle nuts on the S2000. One (the more recent I believe) is more involved and requires more disassembly than the other, but does not state the revised 220 ft-lb torque spec.
Assuming they did the easier one, it should have taken a dealership about 15 min or less even to perform. Also although it is not the same as a Recall or warranty repair many dealerships choose to perform TSB (I guess this one is technically just Service News Bulletin) work gratis. I'm sure some consideration goes into it depending on the complexity/time of the work and parts required. This one I would think would be a no brainer for a dealership to perform for free. It would cost the dealership next to nothing in labor or parts and the end result would likely be very happy customer.
I don't think the axle/spindle nuts even cost $4.00, closer to $2.00 a piece (90305-SD4-003). I did mine myself and the Honda parts actually just gave the parts for free.
EDIT: No lift used, car would be on the ground. No air tools really required either (they would probably help though ). This one would be super easy for a dealership. It was pretty easy for me except for the brute force aspect of breaking one of the axle nuts free.
I think all you need:
36mm Socket
Breaker Bar
Grease
New Spindle nuts
Torque Wrench that measures up to 220ft lbs. (or 181 ft-lbs. if you're going that route)
Even with parts and labor being paid fully by the customer I don't see how this could possibly cost a $100 unless they did more than just remove, grease, and re-torque the nut. I think there are actually two versions of the service news with regard to the axle/spindle nuts on the S2000. One (the more recent I believe) is more involved and requires more disassembly than the other, but does not state the revised 220 ft-lb torque spec.
Assuming they did the easier one, it should have taken a dealership about 15 min or less even to perform. Also although it is not the same as a Recall or warranty repair many dealerships choose to perform TSB (I guess this one is technically just Service News Bulletin) work gratis. I'm sure some consideration goes into it depending on the complexity/time of the work and parts required. This one I would think would be a no brainer for a dealership to perform for free. It would cost the dealership next to nothing in labor or parts and the end result would likely be very happy customer.
I don't think the axle/spindle nuts even cost $4.00, closer to $2.00 a piece (90305-SD4-003). I did mine myself and the Honda parts actually just gave the parts for free.
EDIT: No lift used, car would be on the ground. No air tools really required either (they would probably help though ). This one would be super easy for a dealership. It was pretty easy for me except for the brute force aspect of breaking one of the axle nuts free.
I think all you need:
36mm Socket
Breaker Bar
Grease
New Spindle nuts
Torque Wrench that measures up to 220ft lbs. (or 181 ft-lbs. if you're going that route)
not sure it's a good idea to do it on the ground, since you take off the nut the axle could move a tad.
just get a new nut, you can't stack those over and over again without breaking the "crown"
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Originally Posted by iam7head,Aug 19 2007, 06:58 PM
not sure it's a good idea to do it on the ground, since you take off the nut the axle could move a tad.
Originally Posted by iam7head,Aug 19 2007, 06:58 PM
just get a new nut, you can't stack those over and over again without breaking the "crown"
I thought about how long it should take a dealership to do this some more, isn't this one of the things any pit crew could do in seconds?
Originally Posted by iam7head,Aug 19 2007, 06:58 PM
the cap was so snugged fit i cant get it off without scratching my wheel
I just realized you are in Pasadena, we are neighbors
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Originally Posted by SenderGreen,Aug 19 2007, 09:03 PM
I agree labor has a $ value. I do think $100.00 is kind of steep though. I think an hour of dealership labor is around $86.00. It has been a while so that may be off, but I seem to recall this what they like to charge to "hook a car up to the computers" for diagnosis, the equivalent to one labor hour.
Even with parts and labor being paid fully by the customer I don't see how this could possibly cost a $100 unless they did more than just remove, grease, and re-torque the nut. I think there are actually two versions of the service news with regard to the axle/spindle nuts on the S2000. One (the more recent I believe) is more involved and requires more disassembly than the other, but does not state the revised 220 ft-lb torque spec.
Assuming they did the easier one, it should have taken a dealership about 15 min or less even to perform. Also although it is not the same as a Recall or warranty repair many dealerships choose to perform TSB (I guess this one is technically just Service News Bulletin) work gratis. I'm sure some consideration goes into it depending on the complexity/time of the work and parts required. This one I would think would be a no brainer for a dealership to perform for free. It would cost the dealership next to nothing in labor or parts and the end result would likely be very happy customer.
I don't think the axle/spindle nuts even cost $4.00, closer to $2.00 a piece (90305-SD4-003). I did mine myself and the Honda parts actually just gave the parts for free.
EDIT: No lift used, car would be on the ground. No air tools really required either (they would probably help though ). This one would be super easy for a dealership. It was pretty easy for me except for the brute force aspect of breaking one of the axle nuts free.
I think all you need:
36mm Socket
Breaker Bar
Grease
New Spindle nuts
Torque Wrench that measures up to 220ft lbs. (or 181 ft-lbs. if you're going that route)
Even with parts and labor being paid fully by the customer I don't see how this could possibly cost a $100 unless they did more than just remove, grease, and re-torque the nut. I think there are actually two versions of the service news with regard to the axle/spindle nuts on the S2000. One (the more recent I believe) is more involved and requires more disassembly than the other, but does not state the revised 220 ft-lb torque spec.
Assuming they did the easier one, it should have taken a dealership about 15 min or less even to perform. Also although it is not the same as a Recall or warranty repair many dealerships choose to perform TSB (I guess this one is technically just Service News Bulletin) work gratis. I'm sure some consideration goes into it depending on the complexity/time of the work and parts required. This one I would think would be a no brainer for a dealership to perform for free. It would cost the dealership next to nothing in labor or parts and the end result would likely be very happy customer.
I don't think the axle/spindle nuts even cost $4.00, closer to $2.00 a piece (90305-SD4-003). I did mine myself and the Honda parts actually just gave the parts for free.
EDIT: No lift used, car would be on the ground. No air tools really required either (they would probably help though ). This one would be super easy for a dealership. It was pretty easy for me except for the brute force aspect of breaking one of the axle nuts free.
I think all you need:
36mm Socket
Breaker Bar
Grease
New Spindle nuts
Torque Wrench that measures up to 220ft lbs. (or 181 ft-lbs. if you're going that route)
Afterall, they gotta find ways to pay for the overhead like the fancy dealership renovation and the free coffee in the waiting room. (too bad not much of it trickles down to the people that actually do the work).
I did the axle nut fix on my own w/ a friend's help (only did one side, the other side was not clicking) and it took about 1/2 an hr. -- the bulk of the time was spent on finding the right tool to unstake the nut and trying to get the damn thing off the car (yes I had the car on the ground) -- we soaked it w/ wd-40, tried to heat it up and it took a lot of energy just to get it off.
Since I didn't have a replacement nut, I just reused the old one (and I was lucky enough cuz the new stake point was about 1/4 turn past the old one so I was able to stake it w/o breaking the crown [or the thread of the nut] ) but next time, I'll definitely buy the nuts ahead of time before retightening it.
Should I wait until the other side clicks before doing it or do you think I should just go back and do it now?
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Elare Posted on Aug 20 2007, 01:19 AM
Equally important: is the clanking gone?
I had clanking in the rear, and the dealer said that axle nuts needed to be changed, which set me back a bit over $100
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Originally Posted by SpitfireS,Aug 20 2007, 07:27 AM
Elare Posted on Aug 20 2007, 01:19 AM
Equally important: is the clanking gone?
Equally important: is the clanking gone?
But earlier, they'd lifted & cleaned the car for small change after I ran over a dead deer though (don't ask) (it was very small), so I guess we're even.
Thank you all!