AP2 suspension on stock AP1
#21
Originally Posted by jyeung528,Sep 20 2010, 03:26 PM
perhaps you haven't pushed it hard enough to notice the understeer?
but i know the ap2 suspension understeers a lot more than the ap1.
but i know the ap2 suspension understeers a lot more than the ap1.
#22
a lot of people talk about the changes in spring rates between years, but there is little known about the shocks. I think there has been some tuning changes to the dampers over the years in addition to spring rate changes.
All I know is that my 02 drives so much better with 2007 replacements, I wouldn't go back to the old parts for anything.
If you want to try the fronts first do them and see how you like the setup, I think the handling will be much improved. If you get to the point where you get tired of the stiff ride then you have the option to swap in the rears. For me the improved ride was a nice benefit, if there was any performance trade-off it doesn't come through in daily driving conditions.
All I know is that my 02 drives so much better with 2007 replacements, I wouldn't go back to the old parts for anything.
If you want to try the fronts first do them and see how you like the setup, I think the handling will be much improved. If you get to the point where you get tired of the stiff ride then you have the option to swap in the rears. For me the improved ride was a nice benefit, if there was any performance trade-off it doesn't come through in daily driving conditions.
#23
Originally Posted by JFUSION,Sep 21 2010, 05:17 PM
a lot of people talk about the changes in spring rates between years, but there is little known about the shocks. I think there has been some tuning changes to the dampers over the years in addition to spring rate changes.
All I know is that my 02 drives so much better with 2007 replacements, I wouldn't go back to the old parts for anything.
If you want to try the fronts first do them and see how you like the setup, I think the handling will be much improved. If you get to the point where you get tired of the stiff ride then you have the option to swap in the rears. For me the improved ride was a nice benefit, if there was any performance trade-off it doesn't come through in daily driving conditions.
All I know is that my 02 drives so much better with 2007 replacements, I wouldn't go back to the old parts for anything.
If you want to try the fronts first do them and see how you like the setup, I think the handling will be much improved. If you get to the point where you get tired of the stiff ride then you have the option to swap in the rears. For me the improved ride was a nice benefit, if there was any performance trade-off it doesn't come through in daily driving conditions.
Now, I'm thinking of installing the ap2 rear sway bar. Do you think that is worth it as well?
#24
Originally Posted by bboixtc,Sep 23 2010, 05:34 AM
Thanks!
Now, I'm thinking of installing the ap2 rear sway bar. Do you think that is worth it as well?
Now, I'm thinking of installing the ap2 rear sway bar. Do you think that is worth it as well?
#25
Ok I JUST swapped the ap1 for the ap2 shocks and springs and my car DEFINITELY sits higher. I tq'ed everything to it's proper specs. Do these ap2 shocks/springs need to settle? They have 7,500ish on them and were never taken apart.
#27
Originally Posted by bboixtc,Sep 25 2010, 12:29 PM
Ok I JUST swapped the ap1 for the ap2 shocks and springs and my car DEFINITELY sits higher. I tq'ed everything to it's proper specs. Do these ap2 shocks/springs need to settle? They have 7,500ish on them and were never taken apart.
#28
How does it handle , outside of the ride quality ?. The softness is in the rear end, as the rear springs are softer, but how does it feel going into a hard corner ?.
I don't know the difference in ride height, it doesn't seem like much to me. But keep in mind you're comparing worn springs and shocks with almost new parts. There will be some sag on the old springs which can account for some height difference, and the old shocks can be worn out creating a harsher ride. Have you taken the car into a hard corner to see how it fares in terms of handling, body roll , etc...
I don't know the difference in ride height, it doesn't seem like much to me. But keep in mind you're comparing worn springs and shocks with almost new parts. There will be some sag on the old springs which can account for some height difference, and the old shocks can be worn out creating a harsher ride. Have you taken the car into a hard corner to see how it fares in terms of handling, body roll , etc...
#29
Originally Posted by JFUSION,Sep 25 2010, 07:00 PM
How does it handle , outside of the ride quality ?. The softness is in the rear end, as the rear springs are softer, but how does it feel going into a hard corner ?.
I don't know the difference in ride height, it doesn't seem like much to me. But keep in mind you're comparing worn springs and shocks with almost new parts. There will be some sag on the old springs which can account for some height difference, and the old shocks can be worn out creating a harsher ride. Have you taken the car into a hard corner to see how it fares in terms of handling, body roll , etc...
I don't know the difference in ride height, it doesn't seem like much to me. But keep in mind you're comparing worn springs and shocks with almost new parts. There will be some sag on the old springs which can account for some height difference, and the old shocks can be worn out creating a harsher ride. Have you taken the car into a hard corner to see how it fares in terms of handling, body roll , etc...
Today the rear definitely felt more planted, I've been braking before the turn and accelerating in the turn and going out. I wish it felt stiffer so I'm hoping the NF210's will do the job.
#30
yeah that's what I'm feeling with my setup, the car feels more planted, and to me it seems to handle better in hard corners. It feels like I can come out of the corners at a faster speed and with less body roll. The ride is definiitely more compliant and softer, but I don't mind that. I ditched my ap1 parts because they were jolting the car quite a bit over bumps, everything would rattle. The new suspension absorbs the bumps better, but it also handles well in the corners. It feels like the best of both worlds to me. But it depends on how you like your ride. Give your suspension some testing over the next few days. I found myself liking it better after a few days of driving on it and putting it through some hard corners. Any aftermarket spring will get you that stiff ride feeling. Good luck with your selection.