AP1 mechanical over rev?
#1
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AP1 mechanical over rev?
Great catch...Very lucky.
The next step is the rocker pivots the broken retainer sideways until it snaps the tip of the valve off. The retainer, keepers, and valve tip come off as one jammed up piece. Valve drops and destroys the cylinder, and likely the head also.
I'm at 125k still on original retainers with lots of 9k operation. I will leave them stock forever to keep proof to the point that this is caused by mechanical over-rev (meaning wrong-gear...not hitting the limiter).
In almost every case, the car was over-reved by the previous owner, and the new owner would never know.
It is important for ALL AP1 s2ks to have the retainers inspected. Once they are deemed healthy, they can be left alone.
By installing AP2 retainers on the intake side, you raise the over-rev RPM limit (9700, retainer crack) to a safer level.
The next step is the rocker pivots the broken retainer sideways until it snaps the tip of the valve off. The retainer, keepers, and valve tip come off as one jammed up piece. Valve drops and destroys the cylinder, and likely the head also.
I'm at 125k still on original retainers with lots of 9k operation. I will leave them stock forever to keep proof to the point that this is caused by mechanical over-rev (meaning wrong-gear...not hitting the limiter).
In almost every case, the car was over-reved by the previous owner, and the new owner would never know.
It is important for ALL AP1 s2ks to have the retainers inspected. Once they are deemed healthy, they can be left alone.
By installing AP2 retainers on the intake side, you raise the over-rev RPM limit (9700, retainer crack) to a safer level.
In the braking and down shift, i happened to glance at the tachometer, knowing it would be a down shift putting the car near the top or at the top of 3rd gear.
Under braking, the tach hit the 9000 and flashed the 9000 for a 1/2 second or less as i slowed. it DID NOT sound revved anymore than say a redline shift.
My question, mechanical over rev?
I'll be pulling the valve cover this week to check, but will there even be evidence of an over rev if indeed one did occur, this soon after. I drove home without incident 100 kms.
I have pulled the cover ever year (2) since i owned it to inspect said retainers and all are perfect.
What is the thought from those of you in the know?
thanks for your input
darcy
#2
If you are that worried about it I would say upgrade the AP2 retainers and keepers on the intake side just for piece of mind. I would rather know something is stronger than it needs to be than have to worry about it any time I have a close call. but you might be able to see some hairline cracks with a flashlight, it's hard to say.
#3
Thread Starter
that's really what my ultimate plan is...just like the Billman gen4 TCT and welded upper control arm brackets. i guess the real question is, how long do i have? do i park and not drive it at all until its done? I guess there's no one answer that's right. problem is, you don't know until the valves and pistons decide to meet.
thanks for any replies.
darcy
thanks for any replies.
darcy
#4
Thread Starter
after looking at what the speed was coming into that chicane, there was no way I was travelling anymore than 145 kph (90 mph) as I downshifted 4th to 3rd. Since on the AP1 top speed in 3rd is 153 kph (95 MPH), and being under braking, I believe no harm done.
But regardless, i'll be pulling the valve cover as usual this winter and inspecting the retainers.
make sense?
later
darcy
But regardless, i'll be pulling the valve cover as usual this winter and inspecting the retainers.
make sense?
later
darcy
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#8
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So, I'm writing to post an update to my findings after pulling the valve cover. I drove another 2000 kms since the above question was posed- ultimately deemed a non over rev situation.
Here is what i found. The first picture is the before picture from 2 years ago. The following pictures are from today.
BEFORE
TODAY
Any further thoughts? I think they look the same as when i first pulled the valve cover 2 years ago. The "lip" between the valve keeper and the cotter within still have the same feel to them when i drag the dental pick over the junction.
thanks again.
darcy
Here is what i found. The first picture is the before picture from 2 years ago. The following pictures are from today.
BEFORE
TODAY
Any further thoughts? I think they look the same as when i first pulled the valve cover 2 years ago. The "lip" between the valve keeper and the cotter within still have the same feel to them when i drag the dental pick over the junction.
thanks again.
darcy
#9
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Have a close look at the retainer on cylinder 4, the front one (in other words count the 7th intake retainer back from the front of the car).
This retainer in 95% of cases is always the first to go and in the worst condition.
This retainer in 95% of cases is always the first to go and in the worst condition.
#10
Thread Starter
thanks for the advice- always appreciated. I still have the valve cover off (but covered the workings with a clean plastic sheet and closed the hood).
darcy
darcy