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Old 09-05-2006, 07:35 AM
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Hello all....

I've just recently decided to pull my AEM EMS and manualy tune my 2.5L S2K via the APEXI VFAC-II.

Note: I am stationed in Italy currently and have thus far found it impossible to tune the EMS system here, nor have I been able to do this thru Torque Freaks (E-Tuning). This is another painful sorted story that cost me 600 clams and got me nowhere!

One little snag I hit recently was the fact that the factory ECU is looking for the O2 #1 Heater Circuit by pop'ing the following cell code: PO135, "Primary HO2 (Sensor 1) Heater Circut Malfunction".

I beleive this has to do with the fact that with the AEM UEGO controler and Wideband O2 sensor installed as per (S2KI UEGO Wideband O2 install) there is no longer a heater coil to provide the needed 3.3 ohms of resistance (4P connector pins 3 & 4) required by the factory ECU. (ECU is looking for a voltage drop across the O2 heater coil) Please see OEM manual page 11-61 for details...

Basicly what I am asking is, "Can i place a 3.3 ohm resister in my Frog harness to simulate the O2 Sensor heater coil?"

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1) Whats the easiest way to about doing this?

2) What wattage resistor do i need?

3) Is there anything else i need to consider or that i may have overlooked?

4) I saw this post about moding a harness for the O2 #2 Sensor: (Slows2k's O2 #2 solution)
Old 09-05-2006, 07:50 AM
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Well, I = V/R

14 volts/3.3 ohms = 4.23 amps.

(I^2 * R) or (I * E) = watts so, 60 watts?

What I did was just hook up a factory O2 sensor to the heater wires and hung it with cable ties.

I ran into problems trying to drive a factory Integra ECU off the narrow band output of the uego. It didn't act like a factory O2 sensor.

What I'd do is have another bung welded on the exhaust, give the UEGO it's own bung then run the factory ECU off a factory O2 sensor.
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Thank you for your reply Ek9 !

[QUOTE=Ek9] Well, I = V/R

14 volts/3.3 ohms = 4.23 amps.

(I^2 * R) or
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Odd question, but if you've pulled your AEM, why not re-install the stock O2 sensor and gut the UEGO entirely?
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You shouldn't be trying to fool the PRIMARY O2 sensor. It runs the engine. You should put it back and tap another bung for the UEGO O2 sensor.
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Originally Posted by wildcardtrd
Odd question, but if you've pulled your AEM, why not re-install the stock O2 sensor and gut the UEGO entirely?
I need a Wideband O2 sensor to run my 2.5L engine, which has 575 cl fuel injectors.

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You shouldn't be trying to fool the PRIMARY O2 sensor. It runs the engine. You should put it back and tap another bung for the UEGO O2 sensor.
I have a Wide band O2 hooked into C16 (Primary O2 wire on ECU Harness) currently with the controller set to P3 (0-1 Volts output) See UEGO manual pages 3 and 4 for connection description.

NOTE: Like i said if there is anything else i should know about how to set this up properly, then you have my undivided attention!
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I don't think you can run a stock ECU with 575 injectors!

If you actually can, then you should definitely have a second bung welded in so you can run both 02 sensors (per XViper).
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Originally Posted by RWD_RCKT,Sep 5 2006, 09:02 AM
I don't think you can run a stock ECU with 575 injectors!

If you actually can, then you should definitely have a second bung welded in so you can run both 02 sensors (per XViper).
I don't think even the E-Manage can run 575... can't they only run 550?

Anyways... Inline has got to have a decent base map which should get you half way there. Or are you starting from scratch?
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Resisters are rated in watts, not amps. You're not going to find a 120 watt resister, which is what you really should use, for any kind of reasonable price. You put a 60 on there and it's going to get damn hot.

Don't be surprised of the 0-1 volt output just doesn't work right. Factory narrow band O2's work on crosscounts. How often the voltage swings above and below .5V. What I've found was the UEGO 0-1 output didn't swing. It's basically a resistered down copy of the 0-5 volt output.

There's nothing magic about the S2000 ECU.


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Originally Posted by RWD_RCKT,Sep 5 2006, 09:05 AM
Anyways... Inline has got to have a decent base map which should get you half way there. Or are you starting from scratch?
I have asked, but have not gotten anywhere...


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