as the years roll by, acceleration stays the same
09-08-2007 | 08:23 AM
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[QUOTE=nastinupe1,Sep 8 2007, 06:32 AM] 1997 Boxster vs. 2005 Boxster
1996 Z3 vs. 2004 Z4
2000 TT vs. 2008 TT
1997 SLK vs. 2005 SLK
I don't understand why you guys don't have faith in Honda to go back to the drawing board and start over with a clean slate and make a better car without loosing what the S2000 is.
I know that this thread was about acceleration.
1996 Z3 vs. 2004 Z4
2000 TT vs. 2008 TT
1997 SLK vs. 2005 SLK
I don't understand why you guys don't have faith in Honda to go back to the drawing board and start over with a clean slate and make a better car without loosing what the S2000 is.
I know that this thread was about acceleration.
09-08-2007 | 08:25 AM
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It's like designing a work of art... then being asked to "make it more palatable / marketable" to the masses.
The S2000 was a "no frills" sports car.
The other cars on that list are designed to be "luxury" cars.
The S2000 was a "no frills" sports car.
The other cars on that list are designed to be "luxury" cars.
09-08-2007 | 09:02 AM
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From: Kuna Idaho
Originally Posted by SpeedxRacer,Sep 4 2007, 08:03 AM
People are complaining because in the 8 yrs it has been in production.. power has not increased at all. Family sedans these days are packing huge HP while our little sports car is on the sideline watching everybody else get upgrades.... even the 350z is pretty damn quick these days.
09-08-2007 | 01:43 PM
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From: Dry Branch
Originally Posted by CKit,Sep 8 2007, 11:23 AM
THESE ARE LARGELY MY OPINIONS
#1 The creator of the NSX and S2000 just retired.
#2 They may have been made as a labor of love rather than as an actual money maker (they'll make more off 2 HondaJets than selling 6,000 S2000s per year at invoice)
#3 People keep crashing and destroying Honda S2000s when used in the initial spirit of the car (because lack of skill)... IMHO, they felt socially responsibity to "Americanize" it to keep people from hurting themselves further.
#4 An "advancement" of the S2000 would be more deadly in the hands of noobs.
The S2000 was meant as a tribute to the S600 / S800 with a nod to Honda's F1 racing.
I personally think all the "softening" of the successive generations make it more livable on a daily basis... but I think that's farther and farther from the original intent.
People want an S2000 that can slug through stop and go traffic, drive in all seasons, be imminently reliable with abuse, etc. They sell Accords for that.
If that was the goal, a "better" car would offer automatic transmission and all-season tires.
I don't think they approached Shigeru Uehara and said: We would like a "better S2000." Please design a sports car with automatic transmission, all-season tires, lots of cabin space to fit 300-pound drivers, tons of torque down low, etc.
That's not an S2000, IMHO.
Besides adding horsepower (which you can easily do), there's not much else I'd want from a next generation S2000. It's been nice out, so I've been driving the S2000 lately. I drove the RS4 to work the other day and my eyes were watering from boredom.
And I'll still maintain that adding horsepower would lead to more "I'm 16 years old and I spun my 2010 S2000 out at 120mph" threads. And Honda's don't sell at the premium that the other models you listed do.
#1 The creator of the NSX and S2000 just retired.
#2 They may have been made as a labor of love rather than as an actual money maker (they'll make more off 2 HondaJets than selling 6,000 S2000s per year at invoice)
#3 People keep crashing and destroying Honda S2000s when used in the initial spirit of the car (because lack of skill)... IMHO, they felt socially responsibity to "Americanize" it to keep people from hurting themselves further.
#4 An "advancement" of the S2000 would be more deadly in the hands of noobs.
The S2000 was meant as a tribute to the S600 / S800 with a nod to Honda's F1 racing.
I personally think all the "softening" of the successive generations make it more livable on a daily basis... but I think that's farther and farther from the original intent.
People want an S2000 that can slug through stop and go traffic, drive in all seasons, be imminently reliable with abuse, etc. They sell Accords for that.
If that was the goal, a "better" car would offer automatic transmission and all-season tires.
I don't think they approached Shigeru Uehara and said: We would like a "better S2000." Please design a sports car with automatic transmission, all-season tires, lots of cabin space to fit 300-pound drivers, tons of torque down low, etc.
That's not an S2000, IMHO.
Besides adding horsepower (which you can easily do), there's not much else I'd want from a next generation S2000. It's been nice out, so I've been driving the S2000 lately. I drove the RS4 to work the other day and my eyes were watering from boredom.
And I'll still maintain that adding horsepower would lead to more "I'm 16 years old and I spun my 2010 S2000 out at 120mph" threads. And Honda's don't sell at the premium that the other models you listed do.
However, when we have people who can equate an MGA with the Jumping General, there is little hope of having any kind of meaningful exchange, so I'm convinced that this "debate" is futile. The car is (apparently) just too specialized for some to even begin to grasp what it is all about.
Anyway, you're doing a better job of this than I can do, so have at it; I'll just shut up and follow along on the side.
09-08-2007 | 02:06 PM
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From: WV Pan Handle
Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Sep 7 2007, 08:13 PM
Kind of an elegant solution, in a way. Like two motorcycles sharing the same sidecar.
http://www.dpcars.net/dp1/index.htm
Put a honda bage on that!
09-08-2007 | 04:48 PM
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by sprix!,Sep 8 2007, 04:20 PM
As far as people who complain because their car isn't fast enough- there is a simple solution: get rid of it! Buy something else that is faster, safer, more luxurious, and more fun.
If its not fast enough for you, mod it. Otherwise shut up and sell it, and spare us all your complaints.