is this true
10-08-2012, 05:01 AM
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I'm not contesting that, most AP2 engines do put out more power than an AP1. Put them in an identical car, and the cars are neck and neck. The wider powerband seems to cancel out the added power and torque.
10-08-2012, 05:48 AM
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I've never been in or driven an AP1 but have the feeling that the added torque is more practical on American roads since it is continuly present regardless of RPM. It would have been interesting if Honda had actually reduced the redline to 8k in the later models and even more usable torque and we actually had to choose between 3 iterations of this engine instead of two. My guess is that there would be 3 distinct differences of opinions.
10-08-2012, 11:11 AM
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well, then, of course. If you reduced the 2.0L to 8K then the 2.2L is better (identical weight and external dimensions, etc).
In the rest of the world, the S2000 was 2.0L right up to the end. I think Japan went 2.2L in 2006, but the rest of the world (with some exceptions) stayed at 2.0L.
In the rest of the world, the S2000 was 2.0L right up to the end. I think Japan went 2.2L in 2006, but the rest of the world (with some exceptions) stayed at 2.0L.
10-08-2012, 12:22 PM
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well, then, of course. If you reduced the 2.0L to 8K then the 2.2L is better (identical weight and external dimensions, etc).
In the rest of the world, the S2000 was 2.0L right up to the end. I think Japan went 2.2L in 2006, but the rest of the world (with some exceptions) stayed at 2.0L.
In the rest of the world, the S2000 was 2.0L right up to the end. I think Japan went 2.2L in 2006, but the rest of the world (with some exceptions) stayed at 2.0L.
If Honda woke up and noticed 2.2 8k is better, then why did they keep 9k 2.0 for EDM?
They even did a Special Edition white 2009!!! AP1, yes the chassis code for 2009 EDM start JHMAP1
Apparently it's a matter of preference.
10-08-2012, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hicabi' timestamp='1349674435' post='22066071
[quote name='steven975' timestamp='1349558387' post='22063892']
True, displacement tends to do that, all else equal. Still, no one has proven that any one engine actually performs any better or worse in the real world.
True, displacement tends to do that, all else equal. Still, no one has proven that any one engine actually performs any better or worse in the real world.
The more feasible thing to do is to find a stock AP1 more powerful than a stock AP2 somewhere. And even that has little point. The statistical fact is that an average AP2 puts down more power than the average AP1. That's it.
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So much goes into track times, it's almost irrelevant when it comes to HP at the rear wheels. Larger rev range with appropriate shift points can be huge advantage for the less powerful AP1 (by saving shifts, and hence interruptions).
10-08-2012, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TVPincDoc' timestamp='1348507047' post='22034339
[quote name='TougeS2k' timestamp='1348504008' post='22034168']
true, but the 9k rev (which i almost never use
) is cooler 
true, but the 9k rev (which i almost never use
) is cooler [/quote]
You're preaching to the choir. I have a 2003, so mine also goes to the full 9k rather than the adulterated 8.
10-08-2012, 06:48 PM
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Anyone enjoying high rpm's, definitely check out motorcycles at some point. Most sport bikes, even a decent standard bike will:
1. Rev over 10K rpm
2. Do 60mph in first gear through sixth gear
3. Accelerate 0-60mph in about 3 seconds
1. Rev over 10K rpm
2. Do 60mph in first gear through sixth gear
3. Accelerate 0-60mph in about 3 seconds
10-08-2012, 07:36 PM
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