Tires for the Cold
#7
Strike - Please drop the personal attacks.
Howey - to answer your question, the point Strike was trying to make is that tires that grip well in the dry are often very poor performers when it is wet, especially when it is cold.
Think of the extremes: a racing slick vs. specially designed rain tires, like the S02 Pole Position (and soon to be released improved S03). Racing slicks have no tread that helps evacuate water, S02 PPs have large V-shaped channels that direct water out from under the tire (as do our tires, but the void space is less). This means that racing slicks will hydroplane much sooner than treaded tires, specially designed rain tires in particular. As an example, the last local autocross in 2000 was held during some very heavy rain. It wasn't cold (this being S. Florida), but it was wet. Normally, cars on racing slicks vie for FTD (fastest time of the day), but on this day the fastest times were from cars with lots of tread. In fact the cars on racing slicks had the slowest times. Also, the S02 PP has specialBridgestone technology that improves wet weather performance and minimizes the degraded performance that occurs when tires wear. See http://www.tiresafety.com/tech/tech_intro.htm for more details. Lastly, many perfromance tires need to be warm to give the best grip. That is why our OEM tires don't perfom well when it is cold and wet, and are horrible in the snow. In fact, I bought a set of OEM tires from a board member who switched to a more appropriate tire for his region (NE USA). That works for me down her because I think the S02 OEM tire perfoms well under warm, wet conditions, at least until the tread is worn down.
Ironically, I think that the best tire for wet and cold conditions may be the S02 PP. Cheers.
Howey - to answer your question, the point Strike was trying to make is that tires that grip well in the dry are often very poor performers when it is wet, especially when it is cold.
Think of the extremes: a racing slick vs. specially designed rain tires, like the S02 Pole Position (and soon to be released improved S03). Racing slicks have no tread that helps evacuate water, S02 PPs have large V-shaped channels that direct water out from under the tire (as do our tires, but the void space is less). This means that racing slicks will hydroplane much sooner than treaded tires, specially designed rain tires in particular. As an example, the last local autocross in 2000 was held during some very heavy rain. It wasn't cold (this being S. Florida), but it was wet. Normally, cars on racing slicks vie for FTD (fastest time of the day), but on this day the fastest times were from cars with lots of tread. In fact the cars on racing slicks had the slowest times. Also, the S02 PP has specialBridgestone technology that improves wet weather performance and minimizes the degraded performance that occurs when tires wear. See http://www.tiresafety.com/tech/tech_intro.htm for more details. Lastly, many perfromance tires need to be warm to give the best grip. That is why our OEM tires don't perfom well when it is cold and wet, and are horrible in the snow. In fact, I bought a set of OEM tires from a board member who switched to a more appropriate tire for his region (NE USA). That works for me down her because I think the S02 OEM tire perfoms well under warm, wet conditions, at least until the tread is worn down.
Ironically, I think that the best tire for wet and cold conditions may be the S02 PP. Cheers.
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#9
Joshua,
Nice post and I am sure some learned from it. Howie this was a very good post in down to earth terms. If you use a search engine to do a search on 'tire safety' you will get more information than you every wanted on the subject.
Nice post and I am sure some learned from it. Howie this was a very good post in down to earth terms. If you use a search engine to do a search on 'tire safety' you will get more information than you every wanted on the subject.
#10
Thanks. I understand that tires that grip well will not be as good as the dry. What I was trying to ask was what tires perform well in the wet while sacrificing as little performance on dry land as possible.
Strike always seems to have some problem with my posts. I don't know why. It's not about making up. He's not worth the time.
Strike always seems to have some problem with my posts. I don't know why. It's not about making up. He's not worth the time.