Tired of High Gas Prices? Let's fight back!
03-13-2003, 04:01 PM
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I think you're absoloutely correct, Destiny. The coming oil crisis will have the most detrimental effect on those least able to afford it. And I agree that the yuppie with the Gelandewagen isn't likely to be fazed by $3 gallon gas prices. And yes - of course - higher fuel costs mean higher prices for consumer goods.
I'm a small businessman, I own five vehicles (all LEV, SLEV) and I still think the USA needs a dose of real world fuel pricing. Let the free market decide who survives - economic Darwinism! Remove artificial price supports for oil now!
FYI, right here in Monterey, California, the price of a gallon of Chevron premium will set you back $2.39. Today's price for an imperial gallon of gas in Norway is (appx) $4.80. In Greece, (appx) $4. Of course, those prices merely reflect a sinister, European socialist conspiracy that would use some fuel tax revenues to provide medical insurance, highway and transportation infrastructure, decent education, cultural activities, etc. Simply scandalous, those Old Worlders!
I'm a small businessman, I own five vehicles (all LEV, SLEV) and I still think the USA needs a dose of real world fuel pricing. Let the free market decide who survives - economic Darwinism! Remove artificial price supports for oil now!
FYI, right here in Monterey, California, the price of a gallon of Chevron premium will set you back $2.39. Today's price for an imperial gallon of gas in Norway is (appx) $4.80. In Greece, (appx) $4. Of course, those prices merely reflect a sinister, European socialist conspiracy that would use some fuel tax revenues to provide medical insurance, highway and transportation infrastructure, decent education, cultural activities, etc. Simply scandalous, those Old Worlders!
03-13-2003, 04:22 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 97 GTS
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It's simple math! The more gallons consumed, the more pollution produced. Are you suggesting that an Enzo getting 8 mpg used 200 miles per year pollutes more than a BMW, which gets 50 mpg and is driven 20000 miles per year? It is not MPG; it is the gas used and the pollution produced!!
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It's simple math! The more gallons consumed, the more pollution produced. Are you suggesting that an Enzo getting 8 mpg used 200 miles per year pollutes more than a BMW, which gets 50 mpg and is driven 20000 miles per year? It is not MPG; it is the gas used and the pollution produced!!
03-13-2003, 05:56 PM
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Better MPG is always better for any given distance, just as living closer is always better no matter what mpg you get. I just think that people who choose to live in an affluent neighborhood a long distance from their work are just as selfish as those who choose to drive low mpg vehicles (like me).
Actually, I think the biggest offenders are the big boaty sedans (ex: Mercedes) that seat and carry no more than a Honda Prelude. They don't have the benefit of 7 passenger capacity or hauling 1/2 a cord of wood like a SUV/pickup and are poor sports cars. Just using that extra gas to haul around a lot more wood and plastic interior and more cushion for the driver's big butt. I can easily forgive a S2000 or Enzo for poor MPG. Not so easy for me to forgive a big fat S500.
Off my soap box.......
Actually, I think the biggest offenders are the big boaty sedans (ex: Mercedes) that seat and carry no more than a Honda Prelude. They don't have the benefit of 7 passenger capacity or hauling 1/2 a cord of wood like a SUV/pickup and are poor sports cars. Just using that extra gas to haul around a lot more wood and plastic interior and more cushion for the driver's big butt. I can easily forgive a S2000 or Enzo for poor MPG. Not so easy for me to forgive a big fat S500.
Off my soap box.......
03-13-2003, 06:27 PM
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Just to confuse the California fuel issue, here is my understanding of it.
Lead was bad for several reasons and was replaced by MTBE. It, however, is bad for the groundwater supply and will soon be banned. Ethanol up to 10% is the current alternative additive to raise octane. Union 76 gas already uses this formulation. Such "gasahol" has a bit less energy (high heating value) per gallon than pure gasoline, and thus will cause the mileage provided by the total product to fall slightly (for a given octane number), although the amount of oil used may be a bit less. (Refinery chemistry is well beyond me.)
If this is wrong and someone has a reference I can look at, please pass it along.
Lead was bad for several reasons and was replaced by MTBE. It, however, is bad for the groundwater supply and will soon be banned. Ethanol up to 10% is the current alternative additive to raise octane. Union 76 gas already uses this formulation. Such "gasahol" has a bit less energy (high heating value) per gallon than pure gasoline, and thus will cause the mileage provided by the total product to fall slightly (for a given octane number), although the amount of oil used may be a bit less. (Refinery chemistry is well beyond me.)
If this is wrong and someone has a reference I can look at, please pass it along.
03-14-2003, 03:30 AM
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The correct measure of fuel economy would be miles per gallon per person. An SUV hauling 7 people getting 10 mpg is getting 70 mpgpp. An S2000 with two persons getting 25 mpg is getting 50 mpgpp. Which is more economical? The SUV.
I think our complaint is that people are using SUVs 90% of the time for one or two persons. The SUV in itself isn't a problem, it's the proliferation of SUV's being used as a single-occupant commuter vehicle that's causing the unusual high demand on gasoline, compared with elsewhere in the world.
I think our complaint is that people are using SUVs 90% of the time for one or two persons. The SUV in itself isn't a problem, it's the proliferation of SUV's being used as a single-occupant commuter vehicle that's causing the unusual high demand on gasoline, compared with elsewhere in the world.
03-14-2003, 03:54 PM
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Re the El Cajon gas station's $4.28 per premium gallon pricing:
This was mentioned on the news Thurs night and the station owner's explanation was his tanks were extremely low, overdue for filling, and they don't like to pump when their tanks are that low. So, he said, he had a choice of turning off the pumps or putting an outrageously high price on the premium and staying open. (He said avg cost of premium per gallon in El Cajon is $2.15.)
Anyhow, that's his story & he's sticking to it!
This was mentioned on the news Thurs night and the station owner's explanation was his tanks were extremely low, overdue for filling, and they don't like to pump when their tanks are that low. So, he said, he had a choice of turning off the pumps or putting an outrageously high price on the premium and staying open. (He said avg cost of premium per gallon in El Cajon is $2.15.)
Anyhow, that's his story & he's sticking to it!
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