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Originally Posted by mxt_77' date='Feb 2 2005, 06:34 AM

Now, if you're trying to keep up with Soccer-Mom Jan in her Cayenne Turbo when she's late for her daughter's ballet recital... you may just be SOL.

:rev: :drunk: :) :( :eek: More true words were never spoken. This is my new sig!

Here's the scenario:

Starter waves go. Rev to 6.5k and slip my foot off the side of the clutch. Spin for a few moments and correctively steet towards the first gate. I almost always break the rears traction. I have a theory that if you break traction, it is easier on the diff.

i know the S2000 has low low-end torque relative to the rush on the high end...there's no doubt about that.

Also, the S2000 is often compared to 6-8cyl sports cars. Yes, the S2000 has lower torque than those, too. The magazine comparos list this as a flaw, and I think far too many have jumped to the conclusion that the S2000 has so little torque that keeping up with traffic is a chore.

Truth is, the S2000 is one of the torquiest 4-cyl Hondas. I think even the H22 only does 150#, and that is widely considered a "torque monster" by Civic/Integra fans. I have not seen any other 2.0L I4s that make as much torque as the F20C...153# is a lot when just about every other 2.0 is only making about 130# or so. The low end on the F20 isn't puny either; the curve is pretty flat.

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Originally Posted by glagola1' date='Feb 2 2005, 08:42 AM

:drunk:

It's hard for me to take this question too seriously because of the crazy BS idea that the car is abnormally low on torque. :rev:

Anyway, the real answer to this is LEARN TO DRIVE THE CAR. You have everything you need at your disposal. You have the car and a pair of feet. You're set. Get out in a safe environment and test and repeat. The best place that I've found is at an auto-x.

BTW I have a my2000 and I have done over 200 high rev clutch dumps on R compound tires and I have yet to see any ill effects besides pitting inner CV joints.

backing him up, i beat the snot out of my first S2000 (sold for financial reasons). I probably did well over 1000 clutch dumps, racing that car at the 1/4 mile several times a year, dabbling in auto-x, and street racing like the little race whore that I am.

After 34,000 miles of abuse like that, I had them do the TSB for the clutch. I also said my diff was making noise (which it wasn't but wanted them to look at it)

They said the diff looked brand new (no metal shards from all the launching I did) and coulnd't find anything wrong with it. (duh) the clutch (which I think i still have) was also looking brand new, with hardly any wear on it at all.

in other words, in stock form the car can take plenty of beating.

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Originally Posted by glagola1' date='Feb 2 2005, 03:06 PM

for the most part that is true, because it's the tires that are taking the brunt of the wear and tear.

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Originally Posted by steven975' date='Feb 2 2005, 04:49 PM

No other N/A car makes as much torque/liter than the S2000. hp/liter is the biggest talked about, but torque/liter is there as well.

For a 2 liter N/A engine, the F20C has a ton of torque.

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Originally Posted by herrsonic' date='Feb 1 2005, 10:52 PM

The S2000 has pretty low torque, and even to start off slow you have to get the RPMs above what would be required for a normal car. As for just dropping the clutch, what is the best RPM range to engage at the friction point smoothly? Interested in knowing how other people do it?

:rev: This low torque thing has been totally blown out ot proportion. It sounds like you've been watching too many Jetta comercials.

Why don't you just experiment with launching the car and find out what works best for you?

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Originally Posted by mxt_77' date='Feb 2 2005, 06:34 AM

Define "normal" car. I engage the clutch at 1500 RPMs in my S2000, and I guarantee you that it accelerates with more gusto than my Accord. I'm pretty sure the Accord qualifies as a "normal" car.

I have a feeling that some of the people who complain about the lack of low end torque are engaging it at 750 RPM. Not long term owners, but maybe magazine writers who just stepped out of a V8 car.

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k' date='Feb 2 2005, 03:01 PM

No other N/A car makes as much torque/liter than the S2000. hp/liter is the biggest talked about, but torque/liter is there as well.

For a 2 liter N/A engine, the F20C has a ton of torque.

actually, the e46 m3 engine (s54?) makes 83lb-ft/L, compared to 75.5 on the F20C.

the f20c has awsome torque, but not the best per liter.

also gotta consider the rx-8....1.3L getting somewhere in the 150s...