josserman

obviously stability managment would help avoid this, but what about traction control?

dammitjim

TC would help.

spectacle

Wow an actual useful thread about oversteer without the usual yardstick measuring of "who's a better driver?" or "AP1's suck"

Squirtle

I've caught the car after doing a complete pendulum 360 at ~90mph before on track. Its doable but you need to be FAST. Its easier just to stay on throttle and control the car with gas and not braking, as has been mentioned. Loading the front in a turn and giving it too much grip is going to let the car go in whatever direction you point it in while the rear just flails about.

xSeongminx

LOL at the newbs that are saying that this car is tricky. It might be but that is not the reason why the driver crashed. He downshifted into a lower gear than he intended, thus over-revving the engine and causing the rear end to slide out.

Sukeetoshyoo88

has anyone tried something like this to eliminate bumpsteer>?

http://speedstar.com/product_info.php?prod...categories_id=9

UMDSuzuka

This thread is valuable and I think provides much backstory to my accident.

Part of the crash stemmed from relatively cold tires on a very cold morning. But the conditions were not all that unusual for a winter morning.

Taking a major 3-lane highway ramp that I've driven about a million times before at speeds that I've done a million times before (but still above the limit by a bit) only this time the oversteer talked about in this thread hit me. Back end stepped out to the left and for better or worse it didn't catch and send me spinning around the other way. Just kept me heading clockwise.

There is a small bump on this ramp between two sections of asphalt that were paved at different times. I try to always be off the throttle when in a corner and going over a bump. It seems this time the conditions, speed, and throttle lift were too much.

Damn. Good info here though.

tiger1964

It wouldn't be a bad idea if I printed out this thread and taped it to the inside of my garage door, and I REALLY don't "play" in wet or cold weather.

civicej8

i hate to say this but this also happened to my old s2000. you just have to be really careful when you drive. dont drive crazy on corners and i think you should be good. when a car is that sideways i think its pretty hard to get here back to where it was.

i think my mistake was when the car's rear was going to the left, i let off of the gas and tryed to countersteer all the way, and the car just went crazy on me. oh well.

21337R

Great info here, I agree that lifting is the main cause. I'd also like to add another contributing factor that hasn't been mentioned yet.... HIGH COMPRESSION = greater engine breaking, therefore, when you lift in an S2K the weight transfer is even greater than any average car, even more so in an AP1 with a lighter flywheel. Personally, I have used engine breaking to initiate a drift while "playing" in the rain. Simply letting off the accelerator can have huge impacts on stability.