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"S2k is better then the Evo" - Is this Necessary?
03-14-2006, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by GPTourer,Mar 14 2006, 11:17 AM
I like the fact that people think of my Evo as just an tarted up econobox. It doesn't bother me one bit. So when I see articles like the one on the front I know exactly what happened. Someone is jealous. Someone got beat, someone got their feelings hurt...
03-14-2006, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin S2k,Mar 14 2006, 09:00 AM
Eh. It's an S2000 site. What do you expect? This isn't some car review site, or car mag. Even then, like any of them don't ever give any kind of bias in their reviews? Please.
Aside from that, this is also a response to a number of recent EVO trolls who have had some pretty blatently flaming and incorrect information posted on our site, in a very immature and disrespectful manner.
Like it or not, the S2000 can outhandle the EVO and STi. This is usually the root of these "debates" and threads. No one is going to argue that the S2000 is faster in a straight line, because it isn't.
The majority of the article is actually pretty dead on.
Aside from that, this is also a response to a number of recent EVO trolls who have had some pretty blatently flaming and incorrect information posted on our site, in a very immature and disrespectful manner.
Like it or not, the S2000 can outhandle the EVO and STi. This is usually the root of these "debates" and threads. No one is going to argue that the S2000 is faster in a straight line, because it isn't.
The majority of the article is actually pretty dead on.
Seriously guys, who cares? It just a review. Get over it and pull your panties up.
03-14-2006, 09:20 AM
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I think the article should be taken down, since it's on the front page it sort of represents us as a whole. If it was in a thread within the site then it's cool, but the front page is like "first impression" to anyone that visits this site. Not everyone that visits this site has an S2000.
03-14-2006, 10:03 AM
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http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.ph...30&page=1&pp=15
this is what the Evo community has to say about it.
the article should definitely be removed.
it IS just one person's opinion, but like aforementioned, it represents the s2k community since it is posted on the front page. also it is made to be an article so that people won't be able to post their opinions/comments/objections about it - i think there's a reason for that from the writer.
both cars are wonderful for what they were built for. for some reason s2ki always have to have threads about s2k vs. vette/m cars/amg's, comparing apples and oranges. the recent "versus" threads against the Evo is now written in the form of an article on the front page. it's getting to be too much IMO and i felt the need to get it out of my system.
this is what the Evo community has to say about it.
the article should definitely be removed.
it IS just one person's opinion, but like aforementioned, it represents the s2k community since it is posted on the front page. also it is made to be an article so that people won't be able to post their opinions/comments/objections about it - i think there's a reason for that from the writer.
both cars are wonderful for what they were built for. for some reason s2ki always have to have threads about s2k vs. vette/m cars/amg's, comparing apples and oranges. the recent "versus" threads against the Evo is now written in the form of an article on the front page. it's getting to be too much IMO and i felt the need to get it out of my system.
03-14-2006, 10:06 AM
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03-14-2006, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC,Mar 14 2006, 11:06 AM
First of all, no it cant.
let me offer up the previous 2 years A-stock national championship results. Keep in mind, these are THE BEST DRIVERS in the country, for this kind of racing, in their respective cars.
2005: FYI, I'll stop at 19th place. Why? Because this is the first EVO to even place here. meanwhile, 11 S2000's finished ahead of the first EVO to place.
2005 The Tire Rack SCCA Solo National Championships
Last Modified: 9/28/2005 9:45 AM
Results for AS-Friday
A Stock Drivers: 45 Trophies:12
T 1 79 Paul J Kozlak 1997 Porsche 993 Blk Kumho 61.635 60.629 61.559 118.842
Litchfield, ME Red Haus Racing New England Reg/NE 58.382 58.365 58.213
T 2 147 Scott McHugh 1989 Chevrolet Corvette Red Kumho 62.248 62.008 62.580 119.849
[47] Santa Clarita, CA KUMHO / McRACING Cal Club Region/SP 58.512 58.471 57.841 -1.007
T 3 63 Jason Saini 2001 Honda S2000 Ylw Hoosier 61.246 60.765 61.628 119.944
Lake Forest, IL over6racing.com/Motorsport-Exchange.com Chicago Region/CN 62.990(2) 59.179 60.806(1) -0.095
T 4 157 Mike Bullis 95 Chevy ZR-1 Blk Hoosier 62.799 61.296 62.404 120.064
[57] Lake in the Hills, IL Frohman Racing/R & R Autoglass/RAFT Chicago/Cn 60.313 77.051(3) 58.768 -0.120
T 5 199 Robert J Klingler 2004 Honda S2000 Ylw Kumho 63.950 62.503 64.162(1) 120.585
[99] Colorado Springs, CO BK Racing Continental Div/RM 59.405 58.509 58.082 -0.521
T 6 57 Dan Wurzer 1995 Chevy ZR-1 Blk Hoosier 62.072 61.710 61.665 121.435
[157] Chicago, IL R&R autoglass/Frohman racing/R.A.F.T Chicago Region/CN 60.459 60.650 59.770 -0.850
T 7 91 Steve Wynveen 2001 Honda S2000 Ylw Hoosier 61.958 65.360(2) 63.148 121.601
Germantown, WI Mercury Marine/Todd Green Milwaukee Regio/CN 59.643 61.309(1) 60.461(1) -0.166
T 8 98 Steve Sucsy 2000 Honda S2000 Red Hoosier 62.153 62.192 62.914 121.766
Lubbock, TX Rick's Tire Warehouse West Texas Regi/SW 61.618 60.094 59.613 -0.165
T 9 59 Colin Fiedler 2000 Honda S2000 Slv Hoosier 63.447 65.871(1) 63.032 121.807
New Berlin, WI Stock Shocks Racing Milwaukee Regio/CN 58.775 60.647(1) 61.096(1) -0.041
T 10 46 Christopher M Kline 1989 Chevrolet Corvette Red Kumho 64.030 62.525 62.764 122.003
[146] Saint Charles, MO KUMHO St Louis Region/MW 59.931 59.560 59.478 -0.196
T 11 87 Aruch Poonsapaya 2001 Honda S2000 Slv Kumho 61.734 61.915 61.665 122.025
Harwood Heights, IL
Chicago Region/CN 60.360 63.808(2) 60.381 -0.022
T 12 83 Gregg A Lee 2000 Honda S2000 Slv,Dk
62.388 64.128(1) 64.646 122.503
Glen Rose, TX Equipe Rapide Sports Car Club Texas Region/SW 60.530 60.115 62.119(1) -0.478
13 170 Andrew Howe 2000 Honda S2000 Blk Kumho 63.532 69.699(1) 62.620 122.795
[70] Salem, OR Primitive Performance Driving Oregon Region/NP 60.797 60.175 DNF -0.292
14 193 N C Bellamy 1996 Chevy Corvette Blk Hoosier 62.727 63.678 63.733 123.034
[93] Grapevine, TX Equipe Rapide Sports Car Club Texas Region/SW 61.258 60.307 64.685(2) -0.239
15 61 Gord Zacharias 01 Honda S2000 Slv Kumho 64.265 65.916 67.862 123.218
[161] Morden, MB Southland Honda CN 60.842 60.984 58.953 -0.184
16 99 Daniel Heydlauff 2004 Honda S2000 Ylw Kumho 64.132 63.777 63.446 123.785
[199] Colorado Springs, CO Facilities Contracting Continental Div/RM 64.592(2) 61.729 60.339 -0.567
17 45 Mark S Hill 2001 honda S2000 Pwt Hoosier 63.826 63.176 62.156 123.792
Lawrence, KS
Kansas Region/MW DNF 61.636 DNF -0.007
18 47 Tom McDaniel 1989 Chevrolet Corvette Red Kumho 64.195(1) 62.866 62.960 123.837
[147] Merlin, OR Spin Control Motorsports/Kumho/MC Racing Cal Club Region/SP 60.971 63.278(1) 61.504 -0.045
19 62 Jerry Irvine 2005 Mistery Prancer Revolution M Gry Kumho 62.953 65.115 65.178 123.876
Shawnee, KS
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Here are the 2004 results. This time I have to go to 24th place to find the first EVO!
A Stock Drivers: 28 Trophies:8
T 1 147 Scott McHugh 89 Chevrolet Corvette White Kumho 48.260 48.227 48.331 98.462
[47] Santa Clarita, CA Kumho 50.906 50.235 50.485
T 2 6 Mark Presley 89 Chevrolet Corvette Red Kumho 48.781 48.287 48.099 98.883
Dublin, OH Discount Tire/wildcard racing 51.735 50.784 51.113 -0.421
T 3 129 Marc Mccombs 04 Honda S2000 Blue Hoosier 49.891 53.105(2) 48.480 98.973
[29] Phoenix, AZ Mccombs Motorsports 50.860 51.287 50.493 -0.090
T 4 93 Paul Kozlak 97 Porsche 993 Black Hoosier 48.986 48.515 54.408(3) 98.986
[193] Harleysville, PA Red Haus Racing 50.471 50.727 50.510 -0.013
T 5 118 Jason Isley 89 Chevy Corvette White Kumho 48.306 48.184 48.063 98.997
[18] Mission Veijo, CA sccaforums.com 53.381(1) 51.147 50.934 -0.011
T 6 141 Matthew Braun 93 Chevrolet Corvette Red Hoosier 49.152 48.478 48.492 99.398
[41] Farmington Hills, MI PowerPlug 51.539 51.131 50.920 -0.401
T 7 199 Bob Klingler 04 Honda S2000 Yellow Hoosier 50.694(1) 48.528 48.527 99.456
[99] Colorado Springs, CO BK Racing 51.342 51.576 50.929 -0.058
T 8 193 Lynne Rothney-Kozlak 97 Porsche 993 Black Hoosier 49.446 48.857 50.609(1) 100.094
[93] Harleysville, PA Red Haus Racing 51.237 55.444(2) 51.326 -0.638
9 57 Michael Bullis 95 Chevy Zr-1 Black Hoosier 49.700 48.806 48.571 100.166
Lake In The Hills, IL 5 Cams/Benmark 53.254 51.595 61.602 -0.072
10 152 Charlie Shelton 96 Chev Corvette Silver Hoosier 48.877 64.098 49.658 100.252
[52] Slc, UT 51.375 51.772 51.589 -0.086
11 52 Jerry Hodge 96 Chevrolet Corvette Silver Hoosier 49.104 DNF 48.540 100.463
[152] Pocatello, ID Beats Workin Race Team 57.067(2) 52.033 51.923 -0.211
12 12 Branden Burkhart 04 Subaru Wrx Sti Black Hoosier 49.280 DNF 56.686(1) 100.664
Kansas City, MO Who's Your Daddy! Racing 52.953 51.784 51.384 -0.201
13 194 Neal Bellamy 96 Chev Corvette Gs Black Kumho 49.696 51.705(1) 49.190 100.881
[94] Grapevine, TX Equipe Rapide 52.130 51.873 51.691 -0.217
14 29 Dave McCombs 04 Honda S2000 Blue Hoosier 50.070 51.832(1) 49.098 100.936
[129] Gilbert, AZ Mccombs Motorsports 51.983 51.838 52.008 -0.055
15 19 Larry Fine 04 Subaru WRX Silver Kumho 52.173(1) 51.973(1) 49.595 101.126
[119] Addison, PA Kumho/Strano/langston 52.360 51.877 51.531 -0.190
16 83 Jason Uyeda 03 Porsche Boxster S Silver Hoosier 49.605 55.875(1) 49.545 101.195
Simi Valley, CA A.R.E./Neversoft Entertainment 51.692 51.650 52.181 -0.069
17 99 Dan Heydlauff 04 Honda S2000 Yellow Hoosier 51.265(1) 49.319 49.723 101.481
[199] Colorado Springs, CO Facilities Contracting 52.162 52.309 52.594 -0.286
18 119 Eric Kriemelmeyer 04 Subaru WRX Silver Kumho 51.731(1) 49.580 59.485(2) 101.580
[19] Pomfret, MD 53.636 52.086 52.000 -0.099
19 71 Jim French 89 Chevy Corvette Blue Hoosier 49.680 50.705(1) 51.658(1) 101.644
Wichita, KS Ginger French 52.803 52.228 51.964 -0.064
20 94 Bob Neff 96 Chevrolet Corvette Black Kumho 51.924 50.418 49.514 102.214
[194] Allen, TX Equipe Rapide 54.321 54.317 52.700 -0.570
21 47 Tom McDaniel 89 Chevrolet Corvette Red Kumho 49.745 49.723 49.506 103.046
[147] Torrance, CA Spin Control Motorsports Kumho 56.433(1) 53.540 56.465(1) -0.832
22 41 Toby Curran 93 Chevrolet Corvette Red Hoosier 53.103(1) 51.043 50.768 103.052
[141] Macomb Township, MI Shelby Tire 52.877 54.654(1) 52.284 -0.006
23 27 Richard Frey 04 Subaru Impreza WRX STi Black Hoosier 52.849 51.463 50.728 103.053
Grand Forks Afb, ND 53.314 57.739 52.325 -0.001
24 21 Geoff Clark 03 Mitsubishi Evo Red Hoosier 51.681 51.209 50.531 103.842
Monroe, WA
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So, like it or not, for those of us who follow national championships, or even compete at the national level, the S2000 is extremely good in it's class, while the EVO is nothing more than a mediocre competitor in the same class.
And from the national level road racing events that I follow and know people who compete in, with the cars in stock form, the same applies as well.
Sorry, but that IS the facts.
03-14-2006, 10:34 AM
#148
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Im bored at work, and have time. I will join the Evo forums and make the article writer look like a complete idiot, which he is, and save the rest of the s2000 members.
I just educated myself a little more about the Evo, and not only is the article wrong, some things are just made up....ie carbon fiber on the MR.
I just educated myself a little more about the Evo, and not only is the article wrong, some things are just made up....ie carbon fiber on the MR.
03-14-2006, 10:39 AM
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I don't necessarily agree with some of the opinions expressed in the article on the front page, but as for the actual factual information, it's mostly correct. Also as stated, there's nothing wrong with being based on the lancer (the JDM lancer) with its heritage and dominating rally history. To say it's based upon the USDM non-EVO lancer, is incorrect.
Regardless, it has facts and opinions. Which is exactly what it is. Every person who has ever written such articles always fuses it with some of their opinions, and that's their right, since it is basically an editorial. Just because it's on the front page of s2ki.com doesn't mean anything, and IMO, people are overreacting way too much.
Regardless, it has facts and opinions. Which is exactly what it is. Every person who has ever written such articles always fuses it with some of their opinions, and that's their right, since it is basically an editorial. Just because it's on the front page of s2ki.com doesn't mean anything, and IMO, people are overreacting way too much.